Maybe my brain’s just not working this morning, but what’s a CBW?
Chemical-Biological Weapon.
The lie squad is at it again.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/178/nation/Bush_aides_discredit_analysts_doubts_on_trailers+.shtml
So far we’ve heard from other U.S. investigators, from British investigators, from the State Department analysts, from the British company that made the trailers, and from the U.N. inspectors. All of these people say “bullshit”. Yet Fleischer, Powell, etc. insist: “The CIA is right”.
This is a complete fucking joke.
The cherry-picking of favorable advice and the utter rejection of contrary advice is taking place right in front of everyone’s eyes.
good.
let’s hope everyone will keep theirs open, and use their brains when voting next time.
From your lips to the ears of Allah. But I fear not. In all honesty, as I sit here, I think he will get away with it. The American people simply do not want to believe that they have been had. And if they don’t want to believe it, they won’t. It is the faith that surpasseth all understanding.
The horror. The horror.
hi, RickJay - I’m still here. Currently I am claiming that the uranium centrifuges are part of Iraq’s WMD program.
Actually, I am waiting for all this to sort out. I agreed with the experts who agreed with me, all of you are agreeing with the experts who agreed with you, and it is not clear yet where the truth lies.
I suspect we will wind up with ambiguous enough evidence that both sides will continue to claim that what they assumed automatically was true. Nothing we are likely to discover is going to convince the Usual Suspects (hi, elucidator) that Saddam had a WMD program, and I would more than surprised if we ever discovered any evidence that Bush actually lied about anything.
The discovery of the centrifuges won’t convince anyone, the discovery of the blueprints won’t convince anyone, the testimony of the Iraqi scientists won’t convince anyone, the trailers won’t convince anyone, etc.
And pointing to the undoubted overstatements of the Bush administration in several cases about the state of development of Saddam’s WMD program won’t convince me, either. Everybody on both sides of the aisle were quite sure Saddam had WMD before the invasion - there is no point in denying it.
I realize that this is the Pit rather than GD, but are there any Dopers qualified to address the points raised here? Specifically, can it be established that the trailers could not possibly be bio-weapons facilities? Or are they possibly dual-use? Or is it just that the level of evidence does not establish that they could not possibly be anything except bio-weapons labs?
Ben mentioned fermenters. The cite says that there are fermenters. Does the lack of a window definitely establish that it is not a fermenter?
What level of proof are we talking here?
Regards,
Shodan
Those points have already been addressed by the reports from “other U.S. investigators, from British investigators, from the State Department analysts, from the British company that made the trailers, and from the U.N. inspectors”. You fucking idiot.
What level of proof are we talking here?
How about, um, weapons of mass destruction?
If we find a couple canisters of Sarin gas in Iraq, and CIA releases enough of a paper trail linking these back to Iraq that we can be fairly sure this isn’t a bit of agitprop planted by CIA, then I’ll concede that there are WMDs in Iraq.
But this bullshit ambiguous coulda-been “proof” of a WMD program in Iraq is exactly what I thought the government would come up with. It’s pathetic.
Worse, as elucidator pointed out, this is a scandal sadly lacking boobies, blowjobs, amd bimbos, and so the chances of it staying at the forefront of the news close to nil.
I hope I’m wrong on this prediction. It would be a fine day for our country if a politician were actually brought down for lying to the American public about substantive issues. But I don’t think our system allows for that.
Daniel