I would stand here and answer that question for mswas but the bus driver just told me I have to move to the back of the bus. Now.
If something affects the ability for the municipality to function then something ‘should’ be done. That’s a question of utility, not morality.
I really don’t have much invested in the issue. I am interested philosophically.
And yes it comes down to force. It always comes down to force. The Transgendered will tire out the bigotted generation and then an apathetic generation will be born into the concept, then it will be accepted as normal.
The answer, therefore, is to fire the people who cannot or will not work with transgendered people, as it is their attitude that is impedeing the normal flow of business at their place of employment.
How do you imagine that happens, exactly? On a personal level, I mean. Take the Civil Rights movement, for example. How do you imagine Jim Crow got repealed? Did white people just start having non-racist babies all of a sudden, who grew up indifferent to race and never got around to oppressing black people like their parents did?
'Cause I’m pretty sure that’s not what actually happened.
Does that include his elected bosses? If so, who should fire them?
A bunch of badass negroes got up and said, “You can’t do this to me anymore you fucking pricks.” and the white man stood down. It wasn’t a bunch of pansyasses who just expected to be accepted, they told them, "You ain’t got no choice motherfucker. Now you can have the Carrot (Martin Luther King Jr.) or the stick (Malcolm X). The white people got fatigued at fighting it, had children who were willing to stand with the Negro who fought with them, as well as a great number who did nothing and were apathetic to the whole ordeal, and now my generation is just fine with black people, as we are mostly with transgendereds.
Nope it’s not. There is a very big difference between fiery orators getting beat down by cops and a bunch of people crying about it on freak day* during daytime television. Comparing it to Civil Rights is a little trite IMO. They’ve got it so much easier given the political climate and we’re whining about how oppressed they are.
How many of you have written your protest letter to the Municipality?
*Freak Day is part of the cycle of Daytime talkshows. They tend to cycle between freaks, homemaking, powerful story of smalltown courage, celebrity interview, and s/he cheated on me.
And that’s essentially parallel to what your opponents in this discussion are doing now: i.e., standing with the transgendered and sticking up for their right to be treated like anybody else.
If it comes down to sit-ins and marches and riots, I guess we’ll have to go through with that too. But it will be a lot more efficient if we can bring about the desired results just through verbal expressions of opinion.
Hey, feel free to go find some transgender-haters and beg them to beat you up for your noble cause, if that’s what it takes for you to feel that you’re really accomplishing something. Personally, I’d rather save such actions as a last resort.
Why then, it looks as though the more moderate approach of “crying” and “whining” in support of the “freaks” has pretty much worked, doesn’t it? So why are you sneering at transgender supporters for not going out to get themselves dramatically and unnecessarily beat up?
You’re really all over the fucking place on this issue.
That’s only because my argument isn’t fitting your template precisely. You still think I am romanticizing the past or arguing this as a moral issue or something.
The only “template” I’m applying to your statements is the criteria of logically consistent rational argument.
And unfortunately it’s true that your statements are not fitting that template very well.
His bosses, obviously, are the ones who ought to be implementing this policy. Under the penalty of law. Of course, there is no law forcing them to treat transexuals fairly, so Stanton has no recourse for her abominable treatment.
So, your problem here is what? That Stanton isn’t using enough foul language in arguing her case? Well, if that’s what you want, you miserable fuck, I can deliver. You see, shitcock, Stanton is doing just what “the negroes” did fifty years ago. She’s standing up and saying, “You can’t do this to me.” She’s going to the media. She’s going before Congress to get laws passed protecting her rights, and the rights of other transexuals. Your position 'til now has been that she should just suck it up and accept getting treated like shit, and that those of us calling out the board members on their bigotry should be respecting their right to free will. So, which is it, you sodden cumsock? Should she be standing up for her rights, or rolling over like a bitch?
This is remarkably stupid, even for you.
Yes, the opposition to gay and transgendered rights is not nearly as violent as it was to desegregation. But then, the opposition to desegregation wasn’t nearly as violent as it was to emancipation. So what the hell was Dr. King whining about, anyway? Didn’t he know that, if there was an earlier situation in which people were more severly oppressed, it rendered all protestations to the current situation moot?
Right. Because elected officials in Florida are so deeply concerned by what people in California think of them.
That’s nice, but it doesn’t make you any less of a dick for using the term.
You remind me of Hot Lips Houlihan.
I’m beginning to suspect that your upthread comment “I did a lot of acid” was not meant strictly historically.
Suspect away.
If course, if the transgendered and their supporters actually start doing the things mswas says they need to do in order not to be “pansyasses”, then we can all enjoy listening to the condescending “you’re just setting your movement back by being so confrontational” argument that will inevitably follow.
Do whatever works, and ignore the idiots.