Treatment of dog's fungal ear infection

My dog has a fungal infection in his ear. He’s been to the vet three times. Each time we go he is prescribed two sets of pills - a once-a-day pill and a twice-a-day pill that I don’t have names for (I’m in Indonesia and they don’t write the names of the medicine on the bottle). I’m also supposed to put an ointment called “Panalog” in his ear. The course of treatment lasts about 2 weeks.

This has been going on for months, and he’s not being cured. The pills help, but then once he’s done, the infection starts up again. I realize that such things can be serious; moreover, I can hardly stand to be in the room with him right now as the smell is horrific.

I will take him back to the vet, but clearly I need to advocate for different/better treatment. The vet may need to be pressed to do something else instead of just prescribing the same drugs that aren’t helping. Irrigation? Different drugs and/or different dosage?

I know that anti-fungal drugs can be tough on the liver. I’m afraid that these constant courses of medication are going to ruin his internal organs but not cure him. Also, the pills are to be taken after eating, so the vet told us to start feeding him 2x/day. The routine we have established is 1x/day, and I hate to feed him extra because he’s a breed prone to overweight (Cavalier King Charles Spaniel). He’s also got a brother that he is with 24/7 and who needs to be treated the same or he’ll be hurt and confused, so I’m actually disrupting the feeding routine of two dogs.

What would you say to the vet? I’m going to take him back in a few hours. Thanks in advance for any suggestions anyone has.

How often do you clean your dog’s ears? We have 2 beagles who get ear cleanings at least once a week, sometimes more.

Before the ear infection started, once a week. Since then, once every three days.

The infection took hold when we were traveling and the dog was boarded for 3 weeks - maybe the fact that his ears were not cleaned during that time contributed to the situation.

I really don’t know anything about vet medicine, but is the doctor sure it’s a fungal infection? The bad smell could mean a bacterial infection. Can you ask the doctor to do a bacterial culture to rule it out?

I do know a little about Vet medicine and I agree with Alice. How was the fungal infection diagnosed? Could be bacterial and some chronic bac infections can be bad enough to warrant anesthesia and a super scrape/clean. I would ask for a simple swab at the next visit to identify the culprit but a fungal infection is diagnosed with a swab that usually takes one month to complete. Know this, ear infections of any kind are painful.

You could also get a second opinion. Good luck.

Thanks, I will ask for a culture. We first took the dog after he was boarded, and it was pretty bad - they may have been able to tell just by looking, his ear was kind of gross (it’s never been that bad again, thank goodness). However, they have not cultured his ear, so maybe they don’t know. I will say that the medicine, whatever it is, does reduce the infection; it just doesn’t wipe it out entirely and it starts up again after he’s done the pills.

Also, could it be BOTH fungus and bacteria at this point? His flesh is irritated and he’s got floppy ears in a moist hot climate … I wonder if more than one thing could be wrong.

Poor doggie. :frowning:

You should be getting a diagnosis for the actual type of fungus that’s causing the infection. There could also be bacterial issues concurrent with the fungal infection. If they can’t do a proper cytology in-house, they should be sending a swab to a lab that can. Or you might want to consider a different vet with more advanced in-house capabilities.

A cytology can reveal exactly what fungus and what bacteria you’re dealing with. If sent to a lab, a culture and susceptibility test can also be done to see what will kill the “bugs” most effectively. I can tell you, fungal infections often take far longer than a couple of weeks to clear up. I’ve never seen oral anti-fungals prescribed for less than 6 weeks, and the anti-fungals are usually not discontinued without a clear cytology first. There are some oral anti-fungals that are newer and less risky, though liver failure is still a risk, but you really want to check to see exactly what your dog is receiving. Perhaps you can get a prescription from the veterinarian and get it filled with a place like 1-800-Pet-Meds? So you can be sure you’re getting the proper dose and the actual medication, rather than a placebo or something? I find the lack of labeling very distressing and disturbing.

What the veterinarian may be doing, by not prescribing meds for the proper duration, is causing resistance by the bacteria and/or fungus to meds that might have worked in the beginning, but now the strain of “bug” that’s left is becoming more and more resistant to the drugs. This means take the same drug for a really long time, or change to one that has been tested in the lab to work with a susceptibility culture.

You should also be cleaning your dogs ears prior to each application of the panolog. It’s a good topical medication, with anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties, but the goop should be getting cleared out of the ears daily. Once the medication in the ointment has done its job and has dissipated, all that’s left is a nice oily carrier for all the little buggies to keep growing in. Clean those ears - gently - with an ear wash and minimal rubbing with cotton balls - every day!

Our Golden Retriever had some stinky fungus in his ears during his last vet appointment. The vet recommended using a solution of water and vinegar (1:1) in his ears. Just wet a cotton ball, slop it around the inside of the dogs ears, smoosh (very technical!) it around and then wipe out again with a clean cotton ball or a bit of paper towel. So far we’ve been happy with the results. Hubby probably does this once to twice a week.

There is no practical, immediate way to get meds through a place like 1-800-Pet-Meds, although I appreciate the suggestion. We’d have to wait for a friend to be traveling to Indonesia and bring it with them - medication is not going to make it through the local mail system, that’s for sure.

Anyway, I appreciate all the advice! I’m off to the vet now, and I’m going to press for a culture and ask about the “clean every three days” rule vs. daily.

I’ll try another vet if I’m not satisfied, although this is a vet that everyone trusts a lot - they are at the forefront of animal rights advocacy in Indonesia, which as you can imagine is a serious issue. There aren’t that many choices here, vet-wise, and this one has an excellent reputation.

I’ll post again after I’m back.

One of my dogs gets chronic, recurring yeast infections in his ears and paws. Its a nightmare. I would suggest trying different diets (grain-free, different meat source, no filler, home cooked, etc.), because recurring infections are often food allergy based. Thus even if you knock out the infection externally with an ear cleaner and internally with antibiotics, the infection often returns due to the allergy. These are some avenues to explore; I have yet to cure the problem in my own dog.

Regarding an external ear flush, water based solutions leave the ear moist, which promotes fungal growth. The best formula I have found uses a rubbing alcohol or witch hazel base, both of which dry the ear. I use a recipe that I stumbled upon online:
16 oz. bottle isopropyl alcohol (or witch hazel)
4 tablespoons Boric Acid Powder
16 drops Gentian Violet 1% Solution
Combine in a squirt bottle, shake, tilt dog’s head, fill ear w/solution, massage ear for 30 sec’s, then let him shake it out.
(http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/ears.html) - full instructions here
Each of the ingredients is safe, and the gentian violet and boric acid greatly reduce the pain your dog would feel if you put pure rubbing alcohol in the ear. I use this flush to knock out the topical infection, then use a healing ointment.

Again, this is how I treat my dog’s yeast infection. I’m not a vet and I don’t claim to have an infallible method, but hopefully you can make use of the info.

Bah, I posted a nice succinct summary of the visit and it got eaten by internet gremlins. Long story short, I had to press for a culture and they didn’t have the supplies but will call the lab and get them. Dog is supposed to go back in a few days. If we are not happy with what’s happening, I’m going back to my previous vet, who has a good reputation as well but I stopped using her because I felt like she overprescribed and over-treated. At this point, a large arsenal of treatments and prescriptions sounds like a good thing.

bjo3030, unfortunately we can’t buy isopropyl alcohol here and I’m pretty sure boric acid and gentian violet are unavailable as well. Too bad, it sounds like a good solution – next time I’m in Singapore I’ll pick up the ingredients. Is is something you can use weekly on the ears of a healthy dog? If so, and we ever get this thing licked, it might be a good thing to use on a regular basis.

Again, thanks to everyone for your ideas and assistance.

CairoCarol, there is no rubbing alcohol available? That’s isopropyl alcohol. It’s one of those cases where looking for it by its proper chemical name tends to make it harder to find…

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Recurrent ear infections are almost always a sign of underlying allergies in pets, although the allergies are not necessarily simply food related as bjo3030 suggests. The skin is irritated by the allergies and the normal yeast and bacteria that live in the ear take advantage of the weakened skin defenses and have a party.

In fixing the secondary infection, it is important to have a clear idea of what is overgrowing and to be heavy-handed about the treatment with the proper medications to get the infection under control. Although I can’t tell you if a ear culture is warranted, an ear swab is rarely a bad idea. Any good vet clinic should be able to do an ear swab in-house and at least determine if we are dealing more with a yeast infection or a bacterial infection, and if the bacterial infection is rods or cocci. An ear swab will also tell you if you are dealing with ear mites, which require a completely different course of treatment. A good clinic will also at least try to look down your dog’s ears with an otoscope to assess the ear drum and make sure we aren’t dealing with bigger problems.

Once that’s figured, a good clinic can get you set with the proper meds which will more than likely involve some sort of steroid (either topically or tablets/injectible), a pet-specific medicated ear wash, ear antibiotic/antifungal cream, and possibly also antifungal/antibiotic tablets. In my experience, the antibiotic/antifungal tablets are less useful than the topical ear antibiotics and ear wash in most cases. But, every pet is a little different and exactly what gets picked depends on the experience and judgment of the veterinarian who is actually looking at your critter.

Once the infection is more under control, then you have to figure out the allergies. Like in people, pets can be allergic to a large variety of things, often multiple things. The most common thing we see are flea related allergies. If your pet is not currently on a good flea prevention, you might as well start. My particularly favorite products are Advantage, Comfortis or First Shield (with Frontline mostly ok if you apply it every 3 weeks). Or Revolution if you can get the heartworm testing first. Remember, fleas are sneaky. Like roaches, by the time you know you have a problem, you actually have a nightmare.

The other things that pets can be allergic to fall into the broad categories of “environment” and “food.” Environment means just that: any thing and every thing that is nearly impossible to even remotely control, like pollen and dust mites. You can try eliminating the most obvious item, like woolly dog beds that haven’t been washed or whatnot. But, don’t drive yourself crazy. Food is also a tricky category. There are over-the-counter kibbles that are designed with “limited ingredients” or “for sensitive pets” and some critters do quite well on these. There are also prescription diets that are pricey, but worthwhile in stubborn food-sensitive pets. Any of those may be difficult to get ahold of in your country. Either way, any new diet has to be fed exclusively for 6 weeks before you can start to judge if it is working. That is harder than it sounds, particularly if other family members think you are being mean by denying the pet his favorite table scrap that he simply cannot live without. Plus, you have to keep the allergies mostly managed in the mean time. But, you have to do those 6 weeks.

Many pets that I have worked with end up on some combination of flea prevention, antihistamines, medicated shampoos, routine medicated ear wash, or allergy-minded food, although not necessarily one of each. Exactly what combo works changes by the pet; there is a lot of trial and error. So, even after the infection is stabilized, expect to be working closely with your veterinarian over the subsequent months to get the allergies more managed. Sorry, but that’s just the ugly truth of the situation.

I strongly recommend against using a home-brew ear wash, particularly one that is based on rubbing alcohol. The skin of pets is different than ours; it is much thinner and responds to medications differently. While bjo3030 is correct in that excessive moisture can contribute to ear infections, so can excessive drying weaken the skin’s defenses. It is worth the money to use products that have actually been formulated for animals, preferably the particular species you are trying to fix.

PM me if you want my credentials. I am a real, hand-to-Og, licensed and practicing veterinarian currently working largely on dogs and cats. I see at least a dozen pets with your dog’s symptoms a week.

+1 for Pullets comments.

I have to wonder, that if the smell is that bad that the infection is more likely to be Pseudomonas than fungal. A smear or culture should reveal that pretty quickly though.

Might also be worth ‘pegging’ your dogs ears up on top of the head to improve airflow to the ear canal (at the risk of increasing your exposure to the smell :slight_smile: ).

Good luck.

Rubbing alcohol is not sold in Indonesia. Even alcohol-based extracts are not available here. I know what isopropyl alcohol is, and it used to be sold here. Not any more, though.

Oops, missed the edit window … I want to specifically thank both SeaDragonTattoo and Pullet for the detailed responses.

Medical care in Indonesia for humans is not all that great, so it is wildly optimistic to expect first world standards for pets. Because of that, I feel like I really need to be activist on behalf of my dog (actually I have 2 dogs and 2 cats, but this is the first time I’ve had a problem that I didn’t feel was being treated adequately). Thus, I really appreciate the medical insights.

I suppose some kind of allergy is a possibility, but how would I identify it? Also, I wonder if it is a bit premature to suspect that. We wash our dogs weekly, and I wonder if this started because of a sloppy wash or two that got water in Ramses’ ear (Ramses is the name of the dog, obviously). Then, we went away for 3 weeks and his ears weren’t cleaned. He’s got long silky hair in his ears, long silky droopy ears, and it is hot and humid here. On top of that, it certainly seems possible that the treatment he received was not well targeted to his particular problem.

Given all those factors, could those account for his problem, without an allergy? Not that I’m trying to deny that an allergy is possible - but I do want to think sensibly about this. If there is an underlying allergy, how do I find it? (Treatment I’ll worry about later.)

FWIW, our dogs eat Science Diet. I don’t know how hypoallergenic that is.

Science Diet is a brand name. There are many formulations. Hill’s, the company that makes Science Diet, also makes Prescription Diets, and this line does have one diet that is hypoallergenic.

If they claim that it is in some sort “hypoallergenic”, without being a prescription diet, they’ll say so in their packaging. This is their website. There is a “Sensitive skin” formulation, that is similar to what Pullet mentioned, about OTC “hypoallergenic” diets.

Sadly, some dogs, despite the best efforts of vets like Pullet, have recurrent ear infections. Eventually, it gets to a point where nobody can point out what was the original trigger, and nothing cures it, short of removing the ear. Floppy eared dogs (like Cavaliers) are more prone to this than other dogs.

I apologize if my last sentence came off harsh or rude. I do hope that doesn’t happen to your dog, all the more reason to get thorough treatment.

Also, it seems that the treatment’s duration is short. Two weeks is the bare minimum I’ve seen clinicians give drugs for most simple infections. Where I trained, most treatments were prescribed for 3 weeks. And recurrent infections usually required longer treatments, about 6 weeks (or more).

As to the feeding twice a day, you don’t have to feed them extra, and the feeding change may not be disruptive to them.

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To emphasize the suggestion of putting the ears up on the head: you could buy or make a “snood” to put on the dog to keep the ears open so they can dry out. There should be openings over the ear canal. You don’t have to leave it on all the time but I’d use it after cleaning and let the ears dry out for a while. I’d search for “Bassett snood” for places to buy to or suggestions on making one. Bassets are notorious for ear problems but owners use the snoods to keep the dog’s ears out of their food.

Also, I don’t remember if Pullet or Karl mentioned this but sometimes a thyroid issue can make dogs prone to yeast infections in the ear. Can they run thyroid tests there?