If by “not apologizing enough” you mean “not at all”, and by “wouldn’t do again now” you mean “maybe he’ll do again any time because nothing makes us think otherwise” you’d be right.
Here’s the thing: I don’t think Roseanne Barr should have been fired. Let her tweet whatever she wants, let people react accordingly knowing who she is and how she thinks.
Same with Noah. He’s a comedian with racist/ sexist/ homophobic jokes. And you have to decide for yourself whether that’s something that taints your enjoyment of anything else he does or if you’re fine with that.
Call me a fuck-faced apologist for racism and I’ll bear it in silence! But I can’t stand bad logic. What in heaven’s name led you to believe that the Suckabee cunt deserves an apology? The most casual reading of my post should have suggested the opposite.
I would argue that he’s being excoriated for not apologizing at all. He was asked if he’d apologize, and he said no.
And Barr was fired. I don’t see anyone, even the OP, advocating for Noah to be fired from his job over this. The problem isn’t people not being outraged enough, but people telling the OP he’s wrong to be upset. It’s childish or manufactured.
I came into this assuming that I would be on Noah’s side, but I’m not, after reading that. I really hope that the story was played up and he’ll clarify. His previous remarks on past jokes seemed so much more reasonable.
…I know exactly what you were saying. You on the other hand are failing to understand what I was asking for. I’m one of the people that “wants Noah to offer a proper apology”. (But more than an apology I want Noah to simply acknowledge that he perpetuated an ugly damaging stereotype that has been used to attack indigenous Australians for decades) You were talking about people like me. So which jokes told by Bee or Colbert do you think I should be demanding an apology for as well?
I didn’t like Trevor Noah. I didn’t think he was funny. I usually still don’t.
But having watched some of his interviews for his Born a Crime book and watching some of his newer stuff, I’m finding his perspective to be interesting. In those interviews, he talked about how his parents could be jailed just for being seen together, so they couldn’t go for a walk without one of them going way ahead or behind the other.
I’m interested to see how this plays out because this obviously isn’t the end of the story. I’m not sure why he’s not apologizing.
But after seeing his response to the French Ambassador’s criticism that was more nuanced than the criticism, I’m not as quick to jump to conclusions. His take was that the French Ambassador was the person claiming the race of the players as versus allowing the color of their skin to claim their race.
After seeing that, I can imagine him not wanting to go through every joke and explain his take on it.
I also remember a segment on The View where Joy Behar said that she was sick of how everything is so PC that you can’t make a joke anymore. Trevor Noah disagreed, saying that he’s happy to see the changes in society that forces his comedy to be different. He admitted he’s made some terrible jokes in the past, but as things change, he tries to do better.
I’m not sure why there isn’t an apology, but from what I’ve seen of him, I hope there’s an explanation that’s forthcoming.
On a personal note, I’ve read so many rants about racism on this board, even before I read this one, that I had a nightmare last night about saying anything having to do with race.
it’s not so much expecting an “apology,” but demanding that they prostrate themselves and grovel tearfully until the outraged are satisfied they’ve “apologized enough.”
It’s more than that; it’s that something that was said at a different time, to a completely different audience and in cultural context is now used against him because we live in an age in which everything we’ve ever done in our lives is archived and can be used against us later. I don’t necessarily see Noah’s ruling out the possibility of ever apologizing, but he’s not going to be made to relive this occasion and to grovel because of something that’s no longer relevant to what he does now - because it is in freaking past and he doesn’t even do the routine anymore.
This is just false equivalency between something that was not intended to be assholish and a lot of other things that are. And that’s where people on the far right and far left have gone off the fucking rails in recent years: the inability to distinguish between the two.
I have no opinion on Trevor Noah, but I’m glad you started this thread here so I can tell you what a stupid fucking affectation your annoying “prellipsis” is. It doesn’t make you quirky and special; it makes you look like an idiot. “But I’ve always done it this way!” isn’t a reason to continue; it’s an admission that you’ve been an idiot for a long time and prefer to continue being one.