Huh, the reminds me of a poster a few years back (EEMan) who had the habit of inserting ellipses into … his posts at … seemingly ran … dom places…
I remember getting the impression it was like listening to someone who was deeply mired in fatigue and/or depression, and the effect was contagious so I actually became tired just from trying to read his posts. As a further side note, I found I could never listen to a Nelson Mandela speech because of his random pausing.
There was absolutely nothing funny about the joke. Humor, even dark, twisted, outright so-ugly-you-feel-dirty-after-the-punchline, is funny, it’s never just degrading, whatever the underlying opinion. This thin line you speak of is kinda analogous to what makes a bad movie a good bad movie. It’s not just bad, it’s also entertaining and funny. As an example, contrary to many critics and film-enthusiasts, I believe kynodontas to first and foremost being a comedy, secondarily being fucking gross.
To me, this “joke” ain’t humor. It’s gross first and foremost, and there is not really anything else apart from: The didgeridoo sounds. Made me snort because it was so incredibly stupid (laugh at, not with). Kinda like asahi in this thread. Or so-bad-it’s-good movies.
Piss poor “joke”, and piss poor “apology”. Hope he gets his shit straight, as I’ve generally enjoyed his stuff on the Daily Show.
The article upthread was really great btw. Thanks.
Thanks; I must have skipped that paragraph somehow.
Still, she writes as tho this were a contemporaneous thing.
It’s not his comedy routine; it’s his old routine. A routine he doesn’t do anymore. How does this make sense? “That thing you did but don’t do anymore keeps offending me! We should talk about all the reasons why you shouldn’t do that anymore!” :dubious:
The best fictional version of this I can recall was in Catch-22, though the topic was patriotism, not contrition. In a section known as the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade, the intelligence officer, Captain Black, declares that to keep communists from taking over, he’s going to make everyone who comes to his tent for maps sign a loyalty oath. Soon all the logistics officers follow suit and the combat personnel finds themselves having to sign loyalty oaths before they can get food, equipment, vehicles and any services at all. Black, viewing the other oath-demanding officers as competition, starts demanding two loyalty oaths, then three and four and “then he introduced the pledge of allegiance, and after that The Star-Spangled Banner, one chorus, two choruses, three choruses, four choruses. Each time Captain Black forged ahead of his competitors, he swung upon them scornfully for their failure to follow his example. Each time they followed his example, he retreated with concern and racked his brain for some new stratagem that would enable him to turn upon them scornfully again.”
Once an undefined but seemingly-important standard is in place, there is literally no limit to what can be demanded. In this case, someone claims to be offended (or even more vaguely, that something is offensive) and demands an apology, the apology is given, they then declare that the apology wasn’t sincere enough and they’re still offended and want a real apology. Noah’s right not to jump on that descending spiral for things he said years ago. Roseanne Barr said something dumb this year, and isn’t popular enough to get away with it, nor it seems quick-witted enough to deflect.
The people demanding apologies (or displays of patriotism) don’t give a fuck about them, I expect. The situation does give them a little rush of power, a free opportunity to self-righteously exploit someone’s vulnerability. No wonder it remains perpetually tempting.
I can call the guy an asshole AND fight Nazis. For that matter, as far as I’m concerned, he’s a perfect representation of society’s ills. He’s a racist, misogynistic fucktard, who works and plays well with all of the other fucktards who think that “other” people are ugly, and that women only have value as sex toys. He sure said a lot in one little joke. He said even more when he wouldn’t retract it.
Am I calling for him to lose his job? No. I do think the host of a politically liberal talk show should apologize for this one. Walk the walk if you’re going to talk the talk.