For the Bush-apologizing mouthbreathers of the Republican Right, it might as well be. This is a group that’s so fundamentally insecure that the very notion of anyone criticizing anything about the government or the nation sends them into wild, mouth-foaming fits.
Unless, of course, when it’s a Democrat involved. Then you can open fire with both barrels and they’ll cheer you on…
Maybe the US was pissed because for once it wasn’t them giving cash and arms to terrorists. :rolleyes:
You really are as thick as two short planks, aren’t you?
Yes, that quote did refer to certain Americans, without making reference to a specific party. But it was, contrary to your stupid assertion, a specific scenario—the scenario in which a group of American soldiers fired at an allied convoy, killing one person and injuring others.
Making a criticism based on a specific incidence such as this is not the same as the blanket anti-Americanism that you and the other knee-jerk lobomites are accusing him of.
That’ll teach me not to preview.
I did, of course, mean “lobotomites,” as anyone with any experience of duffer will immediately understand.
It’s cute how you try to hijack threads into personal attacks on me. Well, here’s hoping you find something good in life to temper your rage.
Who in the hell is giving them a free pass? Just because not everyone jumps on the bandwagon that those soldiers should be automatically seen as immature triggerhappy psychpaths doesn’t mean anyone absolves them of anything.
Do you have any proof they did anything wrong besides the obviously muddled account from a proven anti american Italian who says nothing but good things about her kidnappers even after the video shown of her begging for her life and then she tops it off with some innuendo that the kidnappers let her in on a little secret that the US doesn’t want let out without any clarification you assenine cow felcher? You say “fuck them” and you have no clue what it is they did. Yet you wish to jump on the liberal bandwagin that these soldiers should be considered guilty no matter who makes the accusations?
Fuck you, Hail Saddam!
Oh don’t give me that “your a jingoistic patriot” accusation. Who in the fuck gave anyone a free pass? My father was 19, KIA, in Vietnam. My mother was 17, 14 month old son, 7 months pregnant with me. I think my credentials far outweigh yours that those sodliers standing on the front lines have a hell of alot more to worry about than missing fucking dessert. And I don’t give a good goddamn what your polotics are WRT to the war because it has nothing to do with the pitting or the quote now does it?
No rage. Just despair at your irredeemable thickness.
Paying members of the SMDB can check out all my posts through my profile if I’m not mistaken… 
There is an awful lot of them. I don’t recommend.
As for Debaser… its harder evertime not to mix anti-Bush and anti-Neo Con inflamatory with anti-americanism. I do confess to crossing that line quite frequently… but then in your view I suppose its all just anti-americanism. It must suck for rational americans to see those nice ideals stepped upon in the name of anti-terrorism.
Its sad but I used to be quite pro-American before Bush at least for Brazilian standards. I knew it wasn’t all glitter… still it used to be quite common to use the US and less so european countries as a benchmark for certain standards… economic, development and humane. If the US politicians can get away with this much shit… we lose these references and feel that much frustrated about reforming our own country. (See US human right abuses reports on other countries and how easily they were dismissed by those with poor track records).
In a way a little idealism that still existed regarding a lot of things died in 9/11... and Osama wasn't the major responsible in that sense. So go figure how those who weren't that US friendly are right now. Military power only gets you so far... and the West stands divided.mhendo, is the above enough cite for ya?
At least thickness gives me a little substance. Moron :rolleyes:
Well I’m getting into this late, but I’m happy about this pitting. I recognize that Rashak didn’t quite mean what he said, but the “trigger happy kiddie” comment was both thoroughly stupid and thoroughly offensive. This is a bloody guerrilla war and there are exactly two groups of people I have sympathy for: the Iraqi people and the soldiers. Everyone else can go to hell.
Right because they lead such pampered lives right now. What are there like 180,000 U.S. troops over there with 11,000 wounded in combat and 1,150 killed in combat? Offhand that’s a ballpark ridiculous 7% casualty rate. Even if I’m off by a factor of two it’s still steep as hell. And it’s about 30 times the casualty rate in the first gulf war which was NOT a guerrilla war. I guarantee you lots of those kiddies will be coming home psychologically disturbed.
Call Bush a trigger happy kiddie for getting us into this carnage, or the people who supported it, or me for not objecting to it, but as far as I’m concerned those “kids” are just trying to do their job and stay alive and making choices I would never want to fucking think about let alone make in all of two seconds.
In the unlikely event there’s a Bushbot or two interested in removing his or her head from their anal canal long enough to read some reality-based accounts of what is really going on at US-manned checkpoints and why this incident is more than likely just one more in pattern that’s been going on fopr quite some time – it’s only news because the victims were high-profile Westerners:
U.S. Checkpoints Raise Ire in Iraq
Spin away. Won’t bring all those innocents, whose killings you continue to dismiss in myriads of childish ways, back to life.
Well, considering you probably see Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin as right-wing nut jobs weakens your arguments.
BTW, how did that whole communist thing work out for the workers in the USSR? :wally
Stay on topic and answer the fucking question.
If you can.
Holy shit. You want a dose of reality of what is going on at checkpoints?
Bomb kills 16 at checkpoint - October 7, 2004
Sarmarra car bombs, attacks kill 27 in Iraq - 2004-11-06
Car bomb targeting Allawi kills three - 1/3/2005
Bombs kill 14 in Baghdad - Jan. 19, 2005
A suicide car bomb smashed into a checkpoint … Two people were killed and 10 wounded in the attack - January 25, 2005
A car bomb has exploded near an Iraqi security forces checkpoint…killing at least one person and wounding three - Sunday 13 February 2005
Car Bomber Attacks U.S. Checkpoint in Iraq’s Ramadi - Feb 23, 2005
Car Bomb Kills 115 In Iraq - Feb 28, 2005
Car Bombs Target Army Base, Checkpoint, Killing 10 Iraqi Soldiers - 03 Mar 05
Two car bombs have exploded near the Iraqi interior ministry (checkpoint) in Baghdad, killing five people - Thursday, 3 March, 2005
And that’s just the forst 2 pages of google links.
Bringing up such blatant danger is fucking childish? You are one delirious moron.
As I’ve often said – twice in this very thread – you lot are so predictable in your zeal to dismiss any wrongdoings by your nation and your Murderous Misleader & ruling cabal as to qualify for non-prescriptive sleeping aids:
Wake me up when you have something of substance to add. Although I’d give a fruitfly better odds of coming up with same.
And for the record, I’m a politically independent Spaniard, with Socialist leanings. What that has to do with communist workers in the former USSR I have no idea. And neither do you. Which, in your case, is only par for the course.
What question was I responding to in the quoted post? 
I’m off to punch my youngest Pug in the tit. It’s probably more productive than following your bait.
Well, you got me there. I forgot to balance your other posts against the one’s that advocated anything but “socialism”. Euphemisms don’t work in this camp.
…I suppose you can lump me in as one of Rashak’s ilk…
my frustration with the likes of Evil One and his ilk is the tendency to do what you did in your post-take a statement and twist it completely out of context. Rashak says this:
He clarifies that to this:
A not unreasonable position, don’t you agree?
You twist it to this:
I don’t know where you get the impression that Rashak thinks the soldiers are idiots-would you like to show me where? Or how his position is unreasonable that the Americans are “trigger happy”, considering the evidence?
Consider the incident that sparked the troubles in Falluja… (no not the one with the four security contractors that made headlines around the world)
http://hrw.org/reports/2003/iraqfalluja/
17 civilians killed, 75 wounded, no US casualties…
Some conclusions from that report:
After you’ve read the entire report, the conclusion that the US troops were trigger happy in the incident would be fair, would you not agree? However, as Rashak said, its not the troops fault, would you agree on that?
Or consider this HRW report…
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/iraq1003/.
Some case studies:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/iraq1003/5.htm#_Toc54183738
If we had a penny for everytime we heard “acted in accordance with the rules of engagement”…
Have you heard of John Simpson, from the BBC? He considers the US troops to be trigger happy as well…
(Free Reg required)
…and of course you’ve read, by now, this article from the Christan Science Monitor…
Or how about here:
Amazing. Lets just compare the bolded above, with the statement in the most recent incident:
Looks like someones got their “stock” answer ready for any roadblock shooting, haven’t they?
…and finally, this, from the NYT cite:
The best, most well funded military in the world, reduced to throwing water bottles for crowd control. Amazing. I wonder how close a car has to get that it is within range of a lobbed water bottle, yet is far enough away to not be a danger of being a suicide bomber?
The shooting of the Belgium solder a few weeks ago again showed the US tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. One of the first things taught to any hunter, soldier, etc, is to identify your target. Granted, there are situations like in a firefight, ambush, etc, where maybe there honestly isn’t time to do that. But the United States were the official occupiers of Iraq, charged with protecting the Iraqi civilian population. The incident with the Italian jounalist didn’t highlight an abberation, it showcased to the world the reality many Iraqi’s are living through at the moment. The “nit-picking” of the Italian journalist’s testimony, considering that she has spent two months at the point of a gun, only to be released then wounded in an ironic twist of fate, and is probably pumped up on pain killers, is truly sad.
Coming from braindead sheeple such as yourself, I’ll take that as a compliment. Meanwhile, allow me to remind you, that it is YOUR country through its blatant lies and distorsions that is directly responsible for creating the above outlined mess. It is also YOUR responsabilty, as an occupying force, to assure the safety of those under your rule. That you’ve failed misserably only underlines the precipitous an ill-adviced nature of the invasion.
Having said that, no one is suggesting that manning said checkpoints is not a dangerous job. Clearly, it is. But just as clearly, your troops are doing a piss-poor job at it. I’ve already given you one cite stating why which you’ve obviosly chosen to ignore – or are unable to refute. Here are two more:
Shootings by U.S. at Iraq Checkpoints Questioned
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Anger, confusion follow U.S. killing of Italian agent
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Again, a mess to be sure, but one of your own making and one that some of you continue to support. Meanwhile, your nervous and trigger happy kids continue to mow down literally countless innocents. Just as the object of this worthless pitting originally stated.
Want the criticism to stop? Simple really. Quit invading sovereign countries under false pretenses and outright lies. Surely you must know that war is hell…so why start a needless one? Specially one for whose aftermath you were so manifestly unprepared for.
Each and everyone of you that supported this madness has, at the very least, some metaphorical blood in his hands.
OTOH, as it´s more than likely, you´ll just sit there, mouth agape…just waiting for the next sugar-coated turd Jesus H Bush wants to plop into it.
Enjoy.
Well, I do put you of that ilk if you automatically assume the worst from the US soldiers by taking the word of someone who has “spent two months at the point of a gun, only to be released then wounded in an ironic twist of fate, and is probably pumped up on pain killers” and also who thanked her kidnappers for the way they treated her (I think she forgot how they made her beg for her life on camera).
I get your point that you also are trying to use past “twists of fate” to support your idea that US soldiers shoot first and ask questions later. I don’t think that is anywhere near true considering the amount of US soldiers that died from attacks where they didn’t shoot first. You also have to take into account the abundant example of carbomb attacks that would make the soldeirs “triggerhappy”. Remember, they don’t have anyone to protect themselves from harm except their own actions. Unfortunately the civilians who get shot in those confusing instances have to pay for it.
I will tell you right now that if I was a soldier in Iraq pulling duty at a checkpoint and had a suspicious car headed towards me that wasn’t obeying our signals and I had an order to shoot from my CO, I would most likely shoot and then ask questions. Call me triggerhappy, but I want to live and see my family. If you wouldn’t I highly doubt you would be lucky enough to make it home to yours.
And about the remark about the waterbottles. In your selective perceptive mode I guess you missed the fact that throwing the bottles or whatever was near was meant to get the attention of the driver, not to hit them with. You know, kind of like how the most advanced military in the world waves their arms to get attention. :smack: