I thought speculation was bad?
They can investigate that when there’s ANYTHING other than Trumptweets for “evidence”.
Hell, what we already knew about Trump is enough to disqualify him from serving on the County Board for Transportation and Parking! Who was the last President to pay a $25 million fine for fraud? And then get elected!
Imagine the kind of fine he’s going to have to pay when they discover how big of fraud he is as POTUS.
What’s the fine for election tampering? My google-fu is weak today.
surfaced… speculation…
No one’s name has surfaced. These were all scurrilous accusations made to distract from the ongoing FBI investigation into treasonous activities by Trump and his campaign team.
When I’m bored and wistful, I lie in bed and imagine, flying away to another place and time where Obama is still president. Then I imagine him doing and saying the same sort of things that Trump has said and done and I think about how Republicans would gang-fight each other to be the first to the microphone to demand his impeachment, nay, execution for TREASON!!!
Ah, good times.
Florida was the bellwether: a guy whose company paid a $1.7 billion fine for fraud (Medicare) got elected Governor.
Yeah, I know: Florida. Still, it goes to show.
If you can make the case, I say you should go for it. Call the FBI and tell them everything you don’t know. Good luck.
Michael Flynn, Susan Rice, Sergey Kislyak, Guccifer 2.0, Obama, Trump, etc… Personally, I would like to know the Who, What, Why, Where, and When of who is spying on whom inside the U.S.A… YMMV? That information is less likely to be known when people pick and chose who should be investigated based on their political leaning.
I’m in favor of official investigations. I’m fine with letting the chips fall where they may. I’m in favor of an honest, and open, government. YMMV???
That’s not how it works anymore.
Now, if you want an investigation, you don’t call, you tweet.
If I called the FBI and told them they should investigate whether doorhinge voted fraudulently, only on my saying that I thought you did, what do you think they’d say? “Yes sir! We’ll open up an investigation right away and make witnesses testify under oath!”
Do you think that’s how it works? They would ask me first what indications I have that this happened, and if I have nothing at all, they’d politely tell me that they’ll make a note and keep it in their files, thank you very much.
Now compound that by imagining the source of the accusation is someone with a history of habitual lying.
Your demand for an investigation into Trump’s unevidenced claims is just ludicrous.
Then you’re saying you can’t actually make your case against me, but you’re willing to make something up on the internet. Isn’t that the definition of fake news?
You don’t want an investigation into the actions of the Democrats. The Trump administration vs Russian involvement in U.S. elections is already being investigated. I’m in favor of official investigations regardless of which political party is involved.
I think what doorhinge is saying is that making something up in a message board is fake news. However, making something up in tweet form would be totally legitimate. That’s the only conclusion that I can draw, since CurtC’s evidence for doorhinge’s voter fraud seems to be exactly the same amount of evidence that Trump had for his tweets about Obama.
There is no evidence that Obama is guilty. There is much evidence that Trump, or at least people on his team are. Can you see the difference between the two?
I’m thinking you are protesting a bit much here. He was just making a hypothetical, as he has as much evidence of your fraud as you have of Obama’s wiretapping, but as much as you are denying and carrying on about it, I am starting to think that we are on to something here.
I will be tweeting my congressman for a full investigation into the matter.
You say this without any hint of irony.
Are you seriously asking this question? That was the whole point - if I accuse you of something without a shred of ANYTHING to point to, to indicate that any wrongdoing actually occurred, except what I made up on the Internet, then no one should expect the FBI to jump on it.
It’s the definition of lying. “Fake news” is more along the lines of clickbait, but close enough. It’s exactly what Trump has been doing!
But you just acknowledged that there needn’t be an investigation unless there is reason to think that something illegal or improper happened, didn’t you?
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No, it’s that nobody wants an investigation based on zero evidence, reasoning, or facts. We sat through and watched millions thrown away over BENGHAZI and EMAILS! I’ll pass on spending MORE tax money on speculation - unless you actually have something beyond that. Do you have anything about Susan Rice, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, or ANYONE ELSE, that’s more than talking heads and speculation?
Or you can keep talking in circles and complaining about partisan blindness to justify your vote for someone committing treason.
Can’t buy “treason”, as such. Got no doubt that Putin did what he could, but treason would depend on his concious cooperation, which I very much doubt. Ask yourself, if you were Putin, the kind of trusting soul who rises to the top of the KGB…would you conduct dark skulduggery and let an impulsive loudmouth in on it? Trusting him to keep the secret?
Wouldn’t be a bit surprised to hear that he genuinely believes it was all cooked up by the Dems, and none of it ever happened.
Nope. If doorhinge can stand by “Obama was involved, investigate him or you’re just a partisan hack!”, I get “treason”.
It all arises from doorhinge complaining about everyone speculating, we need investigations! And then turning around saying we need to investigate Rice, Obama et al. because someone speculated they were involved.
The entire thread and all the juicy gossip and best/worst-case scenarios started with a Trump tweet accusing Obama of the most incredible abuse of power since someone attempted to cover up a hotel break-in. Given that Trump has the ability to release the evidence to support his claim, and yet has only offered a tweet to the FBI, “Watch Fox News, they’re saying how it’s done”, I think it’s best that charges with zero proof of ANY wrongdoing get the same treatment.
To note: on one hand, we have a National Security Advisor that has stepped down for hiding meetings with Russians, an Attorney General who has recused himself due to improper meetings with Russians, and a House Intelligence Committee Chairman who has recused himself due to disclosing classified information.
On the other, we have the SDMB version of Bill O’Reilly all but screeching “OBAMA! RICE! PROBABLY HILLARY!”
Pardon me if I don’t like the idea of our government AGAIN spending millions of dollars investigating people with no known hint of wrongdoing, while being accused of being a partisan shill because of it.
On the other hand, there is a plate full of circumstantial evidence pointing to just that. The timing of the events between the Russian hacking/releases and meetings with the Trump campaign people line up in a very peculiar way.
The British GCHQ noted suspicious interactions between the Trump campaign and Russian spies a year and a half ago. Mattis lied about his interactions with the Russians. A Russian political party gave $1.2 M to Paul Manafort, when Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager, and which he lied about at first. Giuliani seemed to know when the Russians were about to release a trove of hacked computer data through Wikileaks. Our monitoring of Russian spies let us hear how they had groomed Carter Page to be an informant, when he was associated with the Trump campaign.
It’s not just that the Russians released data that was harmful to Hilary at a time when Trump was running against her - there’s a load of suspicious data that needs to be sorted out.