But that was the Obama administration.
What’s your point? Obviously the election occurred during the previous administration, so obviously that’s when all of the hacking and influence operations occurred.
I received the same response to that particular article in another thread and it completely mystifies me: Yes, much of the “election hacking” occurred during the Obama Administration and no-one has ever said “Well, this is the extent of what the Russians did, and they did NOTHING ELSE.”
Well, except for Trump, but he’s a Russian asset.
When future history books are written on this era, we’ll read that these incursions began long before June 2015 and we’ll read of attempts made by the Russians prior to that date which are currently unknown to the general public today. Think they only tried the Treasury? I bet they hit the Federal Reserve, the DoD, the DoE, etc etc etc, and I bet they got some takers. Don’t be surprised when future stories of this ilk come out, and they will.
It’s interesting news, but it’s neither about the election nor about possible coordination between Trump and Russia. While featuring some of the same keywords, it’s just not pertinent to the topic of this thread (nor the other one), IMHO.
Someone who was not paying attention - sleepy, skimming, whatever - might read the headline or the article and get confused that it’s about the Trump campaign or his administration getting into some form of nefarious communication with the Russians, because it was linked to from a thread dedicated to that topic and the reader is sleepy, skimming, or whatever and it fails to register that it’s almost completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Ergo, I wanted to make it clear for any such inattentive reader that it’s something else.
The Russians were looking for people antagonistic to Russia, and trying to get information about them - nothing to do with the election, so far as we know.
The people they were preying on were unrelated to Trump.
The article gave no indication that any information was ever actually sent - only requested.
It is an interesting subject, and I would be interested in knowing what the investigation revealed and whether any steps have been taken to correct the situation, but (again, IMHO) that would be a topic for a different thread.
From the article:
Well, it’s a matter of perspective, perhaps. I’ve come to the conclusion that the United States and Russia are at war, and have been for years, but only one side knows it. Trump is just a part of it. The DNC another part. Snowden, another part. Wikileaks, the FB stuff (from buying ads to hiring trolls in such numbers that they places they work are called “farms”), the constant (and successful) attacks on financial and retail institutions, power plant incursions, Russia declaring the sort of cyberattacks they are credibly accused of are, in fact, acts of warfare*,the unreleased GOP NRCC hacked emails and the unreleased RNC hacked emails, the hacking of campaign emails, hacking of anti-Russian think-tanks, I mean I could go on…
… the penetration of voting machines by Russian hackers,
… The Russians themselves, gloating how they helped install Trump,
… The 2014 warning which specified that the Kremlin was building a weaponized disinformation arm with the purpose of disrupting democracies,
… hacking 80,000,000 FB profiles. This was last month, remember? Neither do I.
… Yahoo and their 500,000,000 hacked email accounts,
… 500,000 routers worldwide
… Two years of Colin Powells emails
When we think of “war”, we think of shit blowing up. When we think of “Cyberwar”, we think of shit not working - phones, power stations, having to use cash. But both of those ideas are too limiting for the connected age, and that is what we are extremely slow to realize: Russia is engaging in a new form of soft warfare, from disinformation campaigns to cyber attacks to human intel ops (like Snowden), financial backing & extortion of influential individuals to psyops performed against entire… and targeted… populations, more.
And their greatest victory of all was Donald Trump who is, at best, an unwitting foreign agent, his actions this week furthering the proof on that score. And as long as he is President, America lays bare to continued attacks so that, if the Russians weren’t able to turn off the lights and our phones on 1-20-2017, they will be in far, far better position to do on 1-20-2021.
*This is crucial. Russia is literally telling us that, if they did what we’re accusing them (and they did), then these actions are acts of war. What is a surefire way to know you’re at war? When somebody says “We’re at war.”
- My cousin started to attend college “in the midst of the 2016 election”. That does not make it a part of the 2016 election.
- They requested. As said, the article makes no mention of anyone sending a response. And, I’ll note, they sent the request mere weeks before my cousin’s last finals of the year.
Sure, and similarly, very few people seem to have realized that we’ve completely lost Turkey to Russia. Most articles still refer to them as an ally.
But the election interference was a battle in the war and this thread is about that particular battle, not the greater war. That’s something deserving of its own thread. (Again, just explaining my reaction, not junior modding.)
I wonder if the SOL would be tolled, either federally or in the states, while the president is in office since he’s not available for arrest and all.
Truth and justice. Sure, I want 'em both, I want Trump to face jail time, he deserves it, justice. But more than even that, I want to know the truth, the whole truth, just the facts, man. Want to see the documents, the videos, the eight by ten glossies with the numbers and arrows. Public, transparent, links provided, cites defined and clarified.
Justice is a bit trickier. I fully support the principle of innocence presumed, the verdict must be indisputable to deprive someone of their right to take a walk to nowhere in particular. By its very nature, that is a prolonged exercise, precise and rigorous. I want his crimes proven, but not necessarily to the level required for a criminal conviction. So, willing to forgo some justice for the sake of truth.
Besides, once the Emperor is totally shown to be nekkid as a jaybird with a shriveled and malformed winkie…drawn and quartered is trivial.
They generally cut that off during the drawing. A blood eagle, though…
I’m with ya here. Unfortunately though I find I want a little bit more. Trumps base needs to be reminded of this at every turn. They do need their faces rubbed in it.
I’m a very forgiving person. But this active ignorance needs to have a very, very bright light shown on it.
IANA constitutional lawyer but there is no precedent; the question has not come up until now, even back in Nixon’s day.
I imagine it would depend on precisely how the SoL laws are written. If they just say that the time is tolled while the defendant is unable to be arrested, then this is such a situation. If, however, they list a variety of specific conditions, then it wouldn’t be, since I highly doubt that “is the President” is one of the conditions specifically enumerated.
At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see Melania sporting this jewelry in a year or two.
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Hope you had a great Christmas!
I know you’ve left us, but there is always the possibility that you are lurking.
Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting.
Oh, and that Newsweek article? Subsequent revelations have debunked Newsweek’s claims for #'s 1, 2, 3, 8, 11, 12, and the above references point 13 (soon to be debunked as well).
Happy Holidays, FP!
JohnT, it’s simple. On any point where the Steele dossier agrees with evidence from other sources, it’s unnecessary, because we have those other sources instead. And on any point where it doesn’t agree with other sources, it’s obviously wrong, because there’s nothing to support it. Therefore it’s all entirely worthless either way and should be ignored, and therefore it’s absolutely certain that everything in it is wrong, and therefore Donald is innocent.
F-P hasn’t posted anything since September, so I suspect that you’re both just flogging a dead horse.
As far as the Prague thing goes, the timing of Cohen’s last denial - just after flipping - makes it seem relatively unlikely that he would deny the story if it was not true.
There is the possibility that Mueller asked him to keep it quiet, but I feel like Cohen would have given a more vague response than the outright denial if that was the case.
I’m currently leaning towards this release being some form of political machination by the Czech government, rather than a true story, though I’ll admit that I don’t know what the goal is.
But, fair to say, if Cohen went to Prague, we have to assume the worst about Trump’s deals with Russia.
And if Cohen did not go to Prague, we have to assume the worst about Trump’s deals with Russia.
According to Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo, the collusion debate ended last night. Manafort and Gates provided polling data to “Konstantin Kilimnik, a man who US intelligence believes is himself tied to Russian intelligence. Given that Manafort had also told Kilimnik to offer briefings on the campaign to Russian oligarch Oleg V. Deripaska, it was a reasonable surmise that handing over the polling data was meant for Deripaska as well. Then yesterday mid-evening, The New York Times confirmed as much.” Quote is from the linked article. I suppose the motif of tweets going forward will change from “no collusion” to “no collusion by me, directly”.
Or maybe just more cries of “fake news” and “witch hunt”.