I recall there where whiffs that the Chinese had undue influence over Bill Clinton’s administration, especially in his second term, but I don’t remember any hints of Chinese influence on the 1992 or 1996 elections.
This stuff is so bizarre that it’s hard to imagine a realistic scenario where Trump et al would be doing a worse job at making this look bad even if they were trying to do so on purpose. From this crazy meeting (which would not have been nearly so bad if Kushner and Manafort hadn’t been there) to the Russian invite to the Oval Office, it’s like a great big Fuck You, America from the president and his team.
I take solace that we are nearing the half-way point of his first year in office. We’re almost 1/8th done, folks!! Woo-Hoo!!
I don’t recall Okrahoma calling for an end to the investigation. He’s just overly confident that if they haven’t found anything yet then they never will.
Trump vs FBI. Hmmmm, that’s a tough one when it comes to predicting the winner. And just to be clear, I am being facetious. I wouldn’t bet on them nailing Trump himself, but some one or some few in his orbit are going down. If not for hard-core crimes committed, then for conspiracy or for lying to the FBI or for something. These guys are absolute idiots, and I think the #1 guy for his turn in the barrel is Kushner. Manafort better be charting his route to some safe-haven in Eastern Europe.
My bet: DJT himself was in that meeting at some point.
If Chelsea took a meeting with anyone who claimed he had documentation of Trump committing a crime, I’d have no problem with that whatsoever. Neither would you.
Of course it was underhanded. A lot of campaigning and politics is underhanded. Surprised?
If she were meeting with the same sort of people Jr was meeting with, of course I sure as shit would have a problem with that!
Everyman’s ex-wife.
Once again, this was not a movie, where the good guy must meet the bad guys to get evidence.
This is akin to the old excuse: “I was just meeting up with this hooker to do… research! Ya, that’s the ticket, I was just researching, and interviewing this poor young lady, trapped in the sex trade.”
The emails make clear; Donnie half-scoop’s intent was to work with the Russian government who were going to help out his daddy’s campaign. Look - those are the facts as we have them. Own them. Just go ahead and say that the Trumps were very willing to work with the Russians to help their campaign. And that they were very keen on hiding this fact, until such a time as it could no longer be hidden.
Was there more to it that this? Possibly, we don’t know yet. But given the previous stories and lies coming from the Trump team, it is obvious to anyone that their word cannot be trusted. At all.
I fully own it. Donnie Jr. was very willing to meet with Russians to receive information about criminal deeds of DNC and Hillary. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
It is a strange world when Cracked becomes a high quality news organization. This is by far the best (and funniest so watch it for that at least) summary of the whole thing I’ve seen. When Cracked can piece this all together and see the obviousness of Trump and his cohorts, lets say suspicious behavior, you have to wonder how anybody else cannot.
And do you also own the fact that there were no “criminal deeds of DNC and Hillary” on offer? That this is a fiction?
And will you also admit we simply don’t know what actually transpired at that meeting, as it would be foolish to take the word of the participants, who are either proven liars and obfuscators, agents of the Russian government or both?
The incoming head of the FBI has said that junior should never have gone to this meeting. Senior members of the GOP have said that junior should never have gone to this meeting. Pretty much the only people defending junior going to this meeting are Trump sr. and a handful of Trump spokes-robots, repeating talking points like yours.
Yes - apparently the offer was a fake offer. Which Don Jr. and other participants fully acknowledge. How does that change things?
I simply note that you keep repeating and repeating and repeating it, like it was actuallyl a thing.
It is also interesting to note that shortly after Jr. had gone to the meeting, and indicated that he was very keen for the Trump campaign to accept help from the Russians, the hacking of the DNC started, and leaks of DNC emails started. Great help from the Russians that was, eh?
It’s also interested to note that that shortly after Jr. had gone to the meeting, and indicated that he was very keen for the Trump campaign to accept help from the Russians, Trump Senior started tweeting about emails and such.
And how do you suppose the Russians knew just were to target their social media campaign and fake websites? How did that detailed voter information get to them?
This line of thinking reminds me of Karl Rove’s obscenely unethical push-poll on John McCain, in which voters were asked if it bothered them that McCain had a black baby outside of his marriage.
Not illegal. Anyone would done it. Nothing to see.
I agree, that’s why I said “overly confident”. I think the Trump main circle deluded themselves that they knew how to work national politics because they skated pretty well through New York real estate politics. Way more moving parts now, way more eyes on them.
You asked if I acknowledge it. I answered you.
If you’re silly enough to think that Russians needed permission from Trump campaign to hack DNC, that’s your problem.
Trump Senior tweeted about Hillary erasing 33,000 emails. Probably because Russians told him about it, right? No one knew about it before that meeting.
Huh? Can you cite anything about the “targeting” of the social media campaign and fake websites. Exactly how do you “target” a web site anyway?
The thing for me is, this “anyone would have done it” line is quite telling. They really DO think that everyone else is a moral and ethical black hole who would stoop to any sort of behaviour short of illegality. They would do anything to win, as long as they could get away with it, and really do think that EVERYONE is like them.
Immoral and unethical? No probs, as long as you won’t be prosecuted. This is how the world looks to them.
You create fake news sites that say “Hillary murdered babies” and link people to these fake news sites using social media.
This is what the Russians did to help the Trump campaign. Targetting specific voter groups on social media.
But it’s OK, because it will be hard to prove and prosecute. All’s fair in a campaign, even using Russian help to win, right?