Politics aside I found this quite interesting to read re all the prep that goes into a President dining out.
Inside Trump’s Secret Dinner: A Side of the President You Don’t Ever See
I’ve seen snippets of this elsewhere on the web. A well done steak with catsup. That should be impeachable right there.
I wouldn’t care if he ate his steak well-done with A-1 sauce. What I care about is what he does during the daytime.
But one detail struck me. If Ivanka and hubby are as Orthodox Jewish as claimed there is no way they would have eaten at a non-kosher restaurant. Even if they didn’t eat the shrimp, a non-kosher kitchen cannot serve a kosher meal, at least not to the satisfaction of an Orthodox Jew. Is this story real?
but it explains why Trump Steaks were so terrible.
They are Orthodox, yes.
But there are things an observant Jew can have at a non-kosher restaurant.
Interestingly, your question raises one of the main reasons an observant Jew might not wish to eat at a non-kosher restaurant: maris ayin, the prohibition against doing a halakically permitted act that nonetheless appears to an observer to be forbidden. A classic example might be eating a cheeseburger made using pareve cheese substitute.
Only the most ultra-frum would say that an observant Jew could not have a beer, for example. Coffee or tea, served in a glass or disposable container, should be fine. A garden salad with vinegar and oil dressing should be fine. A fresh fruit platter should be fine, too.
Do we know what they ordered?
Oh, the comments section!
Ketchup ?? Steak ??
Dry-aged, no less.
I want to cry.
Two things stand out. Trump doesn’t realize that Saturday Night Live is, for the most part live TV, it’s not filmed. Also bacon strips hanging from clothes pins count as a appetizer? :dubious:
They film the SNL dress rehearsal at 8:00 PM and keep the tape for use if needed.
They also film the ‘real’ performance and tape delay it for us west coast folks.
I think the bacon starter tells you all you need to know about that restaurant.
According to the online menu, those four strips of laundered bacon cost $15.
That was a good read. But a well-done steak? Jeebus.
Is there a kosher restaurant nearby? Surely it would be simple to pass the order on? Are orthodox Jews allowed to eat a kosher meal in the company of non-kosher meals?
’The woman next to me screams “Is it him? It’s really him! Oh my God! This is like a dream!”'
The headline makes it sound like the article is going to be a revelation. The reality was very dull. Quick summary for those who haven’t time to read the article for themselves:
Trump goes to dinner with family and advisors at his hotel. Security is tight. Staff and other guests fawn over him.
The End.
A wild and crazy night? After reading what I thought was this piece was rather creepy of the reporter.
There’s not a single standard, even amongst Jews that identify as Orthodox.
One view would prohibit an Orthodox Jew from even entering a trief restaurant. The gadol Rav Moshe writes:
(from Iggros Moshe).
A more lenient ruling can be found from later Ravs, and even Rav Moshe says in his Hakdamah that every Rav in each generation must discover what he calls ha’emet le-hora’ah, the truth of an issue that follows from a Torah scholar’s careful analysis of the question.
For purposes of this thread, I think it’s sufficient to say that many Orthodox authorities can be read to permit an observant Jew to eat certain kosher foods at a non-kosher restaurant under various circumstances. But it’s also fair to say that there are plenty of limitations. A glass of wine may be otherwise kosher, for example, but an observant Jew cannot generally drink it if it was poured by a non-Jew.
More simply, is there an issue of respect or politeness here that orthodox law addresses? Is it okay to accept a non-kosher meal from someone in Trump’s position? Probably dating back to when a refusal might have been fatal, of course.