Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024

You are a bad person. :slightly_smiling_face:

It’s not often a bad person deserves :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

For those out there who are handy with guns, how difficult was the shot considering the distance and equipment used? Was it easier or more difficult than the shot that Oswald took? Or in sporting terms, was it a layup, free throw, 3 pointer, or half court?

According to Sergeant Hartmann, Oswald and Whitman were in the Marines, and “Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!”

I take it the shooter in this case lacked any training.

I wouldn’t call myself “handy” with a firearm, but then I wouldn’t call the vast majority of gun owners handy with one either and would wager I actually have more marksmanship training than most as well. So with that…

Oswald shot from closer range, but at a moving target (albeit in a roughly straight line moving away from him, not a crossing shot, which would have been harder to pull off). If this shooter had been half as capable as Oswald, I suspect he’d have done more than just nick his target. Hitting a human target at 150 yards with an assault rifle firing in semi-auto isn’t that hard, even if you only have one shot, let alone half a dozen.

Assuming you know how to actually use your weapon and have completed even rudimentary training in marksmanship, that is.

Something people don’t realize—even gun nuts—is that it does actually take some training to be effective with a weapon beyond point blank range even under the best conditions. I think Oswald is very much overrated as a marksman, but I also think he was (unfortunately—which is to say I wish Oswald had been a worse shot, not the other way around) a better marksman than this asshole.

In my opinion the Kennedy shooting was a pretty easy shot - scoped 7.35 mm Carcano rifle fired at a slow speed target moving in a nearly straight line away from the shooter inside of a city block. Only thing upping the difficulty is firing multiple times in a short time span with a bolt action rifle but most reasonably competent deer hunters could do that.

This one would have been IMO slightly more difficult only because I think the AR-15 isn’t the ideal rifle for this shot.

You would have to be psychic to make the shot since Trump had moved. Beyond that what would matter would be the type of scope used, the barrel length, the rifling of the barrel and how the gun was stabilized. Extra points for having the trigger re-worked for smoothness.

FWIW, we don’t know if the shooter here had a scope or no. There are scopes for the AR-15.

A phrase that most folks do not understand!

It isn’t a distance, it’s entirely dependent on “flatness” of the trajectory of a particular round and it’s loading.

The rifle would be sighted in to a certain reasonable distance. 300 meters? 200 meters?

groooooaaaaaan (re CMC)

If he (or his dad, since apparently it was his father’s gun) knew what he was doing, yes. But that’s very much an if.

And, I mean, if he reallllly knew what he was doing, he’d have had it sighted for 150 meters, because that’s the range he was shooting from, and he might have estimated as much before showing up to the scene. But I doubt he reallllly knew what he was doing (as evidenced by completely missing with all but one shot, and at best grazing his intended victim with the other).

In response to BobLibDem: The shooting was very different than shooting at a range. The marksman was probably having a heart pounding rapidly, sweating or at least in some way agitated beyond the norm, since this was shooting at a target that would probably mean the gunman’s own imminent death, and the immensely high stakes. When you’re at a practice range, there’s no pressure.

In other words, buck fever? Times a thousand?

What I was wondering, too. Also, how is getting your shoes the most important thing right then?

I again heard on a news report that a local LEO confronted the shooter and then fell off the roof or the ladder when the rifle was pointed at them. That is apparently what is reported in the Washington Post. If true then the shooter was already in a panic and knew he only had seconds.

If I hear another reporter say it was a “five hundred and fifty six rifle” I’m going to throw something at the tv. Guns aren’t that complicated and you’ve been working the story for 24 hours. Get the 5 pieces of information you do have right.

That was so weird. I hope we get some sort of explanation. (Why would getting your ear grazed, either by flying glass or flying bullet, knock your shoes off??? And how did Trump have the mental space needed for thinking about his shoes, in that situation, where for all he (presumably) knew, bullets were still flying???)

I Googled the term, and yes, I suppose that’s the best description. But magnified much more, yes, since 1) shooting a deer won’t result in deadly consequences for the hunter himself and 2) this deer is one of the most important people on the planet.

The reason is probably vanity. He didn’t want anyone to see the lifts in his shoes.

Heh. You’re probably right!

Imagine having that be your first thought when bullets are flying.

(I still don’t get how his shoes came OFF, though.)