Trump policies harm US tourism industry

Another fairly detailed article about the effect the slump in Canadian tourism is having on US economy.

California is apparently trying to differentiate itself from Washington, as if what goes on in Washington doesn’t have s as by effect on Canadians travelling to California. Sorry Gavin, as long as it’s the federal Customs and Border Security who scrutinizes entry, California is part of Trump’s US.

No getting away from it.

Another report:

Yeah. Although I’m probably fine to visit the US (native-born Canadian, lily-white, Christian by baptism), I’ve decided to stay home and see Canada instead.

Sorry, USA. I’ll be happy to return someday. Just not now.

It looks like some businesses in the US are trying to win back their Canadian guests with discounts and offers, but with varying levels of success.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/u-s-canadian-tourism-discounts-1.7546881

Update on the drop in spending by BC residents cross-border:

And another report indicates that the number of Canadians researching house purchases in the US is also down.

I think the average American takes for granted the fact that our government can take huge risks and wild swings and our economy is just too big for investors to pull up stakes en masse, and if there are any consequences to bad policies, they hit years later.

The situation the UK had where Liz Truss proposed a budget that massively increased the deficit, and a day later the markets crashed and there was widespread investor panic don’t happen in the US, and it would take extreme levels of irresponsibility to make that happen. When we went from a budget surplus of 2.3% of GDP in 2000 to a deficit of 3.3% in 2003 it wasn’t really noticed. People noticed the middle class tax cut and the massive increase in defense investment, but the dollar was fine and investors were utterly unphased.

We also take it for granted that some random spiteful foreign leader couldn’t just decide to economically destroy us. It’s kind of mindboggling that people don’t universally understand why a country like Canada won’t just move on from threats like this.

Anecdata: When I was 20 or so I visited the U.S. , a friend whose father worked in an airline invited me to go with them, since they traveled cheap and knew the destination (Florida).
I had never had much interest in visiting the U.S. (all my ideal travel locations are in Europe since I’m a fan of classical antiquity) but I said, what the hell, and accepted.
It was fun and I bought a LOT of books in a Barnes and Noble, books being then about 90% cheaper there.
If I got the same invitation now there’s absolutely no way in hell I would accept, if not for moral reasons for self preservation ones, the risk of being detained and ending up in some hellhole in El Salvador is frankly too high.

Not just tourism. There’s a conference I attend yearly in late fall that has a large number of Canadian and European attendees, as well as state and federal employees. Registrations are way down. I have heard one of the regulars from Canada say that she will not be attending as she doesn’t want to spend money in the US. In addition, federal employees have had their travel and training budgets slashed so anyone who wants to go has to attend on their own dime. A few probably will but most won’t. The hotels, restaurants and other venues that could have expected to profit from this event will see their incomes drop; and so it goes. I’m sure we’re not the only conference seeing this.

Have heard reports of many conferences, research and otherwise, being shifted to Canada. Otherwise many foreign contributors, researchers, speakers etc, just won’t attend.

That’s quite sad.
America used to be kinda great, the best and the brightest lights in sciences and tech gravitated to it naturally.

On the other hand, while Canada is experiencing a lot of the consequences, it’s being mitigated somewhat by these conferences and the brain gain of Americans (and Canadians in America) relocating to Canada.

elbows up!

(sorry, couldn’t resist)

Yep. A couple of my friends have posted about a humanist conference that was supposed to be in DC in August of next year being moved to Ottawa insead.

:musical_notes: On the cover of the New York mag :musical_notes:

New York magazine sends reporter and his family to live in Canada for a month to try to get a sense for the state of US—Canada relations.

Answer: not good.

Cover show an angry beaver with a chokehold on a bald eagle.

Headline: “You Have No Idea How Furious the Canadians Are”

"the Canadian LCBO. I tried to become one.”

Well, messed up the first step, didn’t he? :smiley:

Internal tourism is down too. Crazy weather sparked by global warming, fuel prices, and state to state grievances (liberals are staying away from tourist sites in Texas). Also, I read recently that tourism to The Grand Canyon was down before the fire-- combination of heat and bad feelings toward Arizona-- and even a few people worried about water access.