Boy, I can sure confirm that, hung out with lefties my whole adult life. Couldn’t begin to tell you how many bitter arguments I’ve heard over the value of California chardonnay, or domestic brie.
And yet it’s Republicans who block minimum wage increases, hate unions, hate safety and wage regulations, hate subsidies for healthcare.
Yes, they love the working class.
I keep hearing about how working-class, blue-collar workers voted for Trump because they’re angry; angry at liberals, angry at the media, angry at beltway politicians, etc.
What I haven’t heard anybody ask is this, have you ever made a good decision when you were angry? When the anger wears off, and you look back, are you ever proud of what you did while you were angry?
What the hell makes you rural yokels think that urban liberals aren’t working people? They work just as hard or harder than you do, and I’m everlastingly tired of this crap, fomented by the rich to divide people who would unite against them if the lower classes could ever figure out what cooperation could do for them.
They wanted this guy, they voted for him, they can live with it now.
Too damn bad.
We work for a living too, and we aren’t on the dole or sucking up subsidies. As for any contempt, I’d say at this point it’s been earned. In fact my state pays for those subsidies to West Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa, etc.
Nice to see you abandoning the usual hyperbole, Der Trihs.
Than I do? I *am *an urban liberal. I voted for Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the general election.
But if liberals in general and the Democratic Party in particular can’t take a hard look at themselves and try to figure out what went wrong, there’s no hope.
No shit.
But if the Democratic Party managed to lose the election to fucking Donald Trump, it’s about time they (we) woke up and took a hard look at themselves and figure out what they’re doing wrong.
You sound like a Republican talking about welfare queens.
People voted for Trump because they were scum, and “urban liberals” didn’t see it coming because they didn’t hold them in contempt like they evidently should have.
And Trump and the Republicans won on being insulting, contemptuous towards their opponents, as well as slanderous and threatening. There is simply no evidence at all that being “polite” is a winning strategy; going by this election Hillary should have just called the Republicans traitorous devil worshipers and made up stories about how Trump is a cannibalistic child molester.
Could be Democrats aren’t doing anything wrong. It’s entirely possible it’s just self-destructive American culture that breeds stupid conservatives that always want to tear things down and watch it burn rather than let women, minorites and non-Christians ever achieve anything. That could be it. American culture just can’t handle what it’s got, and we’re eventually headed for the shitter. Wouldn’t be the first time a culture has failed. Maybe we could improve our educational system somehow, but again, it could be Americans by and large just don’t want success. Democrats probably can’t do much about that. You can’t force people to grow up and use their brains.
The 19th Amendment was ratified in Aug 1920, just so you know. And I think I missed the history lesson about the Jacob Crowstein laws in NY that kept Jews from voting.
Other than that, let’s bookmark this post and see how prophetic it was 3 years hence.
This is such a load of horseshit. This is a fantasy image of who “urban liberals” are and what they think. I’m from a working-class part of the Bronx. My friends and relatives are working class and mostly vote Democratic.
We need to do this, but Republicans aren’t interested. The public schools need to be improved. To a sane person, the next step is obvious: address what is wrong. To a Republican, however, the next step is to run from the problem and leave it to get worse. Vouchers on the public dime for kids to attend private schools, let the public schools rot and be ignored.
Also because, as Trump said while savoring his Nevada win, “I love the poorly educated.”
It’s in the electoral interests of the party in power *not *to address the problem, or even to admit there is one.
I must assume you hate rural people, then.
and what’s so damn great about coal miners? My Dad got his start repairing TVs. That doesn’t happen anymore either. I’ve lived in the Appalachians my whole life and I don’t know any coal miners.
Rural people are weirdly fetishistic about things. They don’t work on farms. They work at Walmart and wait tables and install cable. But then every country song is about ‘lets get on the back of my daddy’s tractor and drink whiskey’. And I think they’re exaggerating how much they like Whiskey too. IRL vodka is cheaper and goes better. They don’t actually chew tobacco. They just smoke.
It’s like their culture is so weak that they have a death grip on anything that’s vaguely cultural to them. If they weren’t so against like gay culture and immigrant culture, maybe they wouldn’t have to be so weirdly fetishistic about, say, blue jeans (not even wearing them- all Americans wear blue jeans. But not all Americans have to sing about it).
Trump won because of lazy and apathetic Democrat voters that assumed that Mrs. Clinton was a shoo-in.
No matter how you talk to or about Trump voters, their “minds” will not be changed. They are stupid and badly informed and always will be. There is no “winning them over.”
The oddest thing, when visiting my wife’s brother in Texas (they are well to do rural living Trump supporters) I heard this - “Only fags wear Levis, we all wear Wranglers”.
Um, what?
We get along great with these folks. But we certainly don’t talk about politics.