It was long dead before that. It’s what got him elected. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. Tribalism amplified by millions of voices and bots on social media caused this nightmare.
Oh for fuck’s sake! Anyone willing to vote out Trump will be willing to look at the actual candidates for Senate in their states and make a determination based on that. Josh Hawley and Roy Blunt were not sent to the Senate by the people of Missouri to provide some sort of counterbalance to Bernie Sanders and Diane Feinstein, nor was its last Democratic Senator elected to counterbalance Chuck Grassley.
Nitpick
Grassley represents Iowa, not Missouri.
/Nitpick
He also decries socialism while collecting socialist farmer bailouts paid for by the American people. The irony burns in Iowa.
I don’t know if Chakrabarti has necessarily played “the race card,” but he’s a certifiable ass. I think he believes himself to be the Steve Bannon of the Democratic Party. He can try that, and he can get half of twitter to follow him. But I doubt he can get half of twitter to vote for his causes. He doesn’t understand what he’s about to get himself (and others) into.
…conflating Chakrabarti with Bannon is an appalling abuse of hyperbole and exactly the sort of destructive “bothsiderist” rhetoric that people in this thread are railing against. Nobody had heard of Chakrabarti until the House Democrats decided to boost his tweet. He isn’t trying to be “the Steve Bannon of the Democratic Party.” Don’t make this bigger than it is. He posted an opinion on twitter: thats all.
…in case you hadn’t noticed: they are gunning for the Progressive Four. They smell blood in the water. The rhetoric from Trump & Co is dangerous. You can express the opinion that Chakrabarti said something stupid. Thats okay. I’m sure he would welcome the debate. But there is a difference between criticising his statement and buying into the same dangerous rhetoric that Barr and Graham are spewing.
It is absolutely not an abuse of hyperbole. Look, I get that you appreciate Chakrabarti’s no-holds-barred activism and political pugnacity, particularly since you see it from afar and don’t have a sense for how his tactics could potentially splinter fragile coalitions along ideological and even ethnic lines. I consider myself a sympathizer and even basically a fan of AOC, Omar, and the Squad, but I’m not always a fan of their rhetoric, and I think a lot of it is being driven by ex-Bernie Bros. I see the same kind of “fuck you” energy and self-immolating tactics, and it’s one major, major reason why we are living in the age of President Trump instead of President Hillary Clinton.
The common refrain, of course, is that moderate democrats will just have to stop being moderate and join the resistance.
Ain’t gonna happen.
It just ain’t.
I’m not buying into their rhetoric; just the opposite. I’m pointing out that if Chakrabarti isn’t careful and can’t keep insinuating that his own fucking allies are essentially closet racists, the Democratic party is going to start alienating white allies.
Tell me, how does the Squad and how do progressives win back the Senate, let alone the presidency, with fewer allies?
…strawman. You don’t have a fucking clue what my opinion is about Chakrabarti. I had never heard of him before the day before yesterday. I can’t hold an opinion about somebody I know nothing about.
Tactics? It was a fucking tweet. An honest answer to a question that was posed to him. It wasn’t a strategic move. It was 140 characters or less that probably took him less than a minute to type. I might be “afar” but I’m not so far away I can’t see the obvious.
We are living in the age of Trump because of rampant voter supression, because of propaganda, because of a weak-ass-so-called-mainstream-media, because there are a fuck-load more racists in America than anyone is comfortable saying out loud. And if Trump & Co get voted in again it won’t be because of AOC and the squad.
Nope. That isn’t the refrain. The squad voted for and supported Pelosi. Here are the moderate Democratswho opposed Pelosi for speaker. The squad aren’t on that list. This isn’t what they demand.
Four. More. Years.
Chakrabarti is a nobody, no-one knows who he is, and what he said doesn’t matter. For fucks sakes: you compared him to Steve Bannon. That was completely ridiculous. You absolutely are buying into their rhetoric, their narrative, and by doing that and by others doing that you are doing more damage than anything Chakrabarti would ever say.
Since when was this debate about members of the House winning back the Senate? How about some of the people running for President dropping out of the race and going back to their state and runningfor Senate instead? There are only four members of the “Squad.” They won’t make any fucking difference in the race for the Senate.
…AOC accused Pelosi of “explicitly singling out women of colour”. The so-clear-you-could-bet-your-life-on-it implication is that Pelosi is racist.
…why did you choose to misquote AOC?
I concede. Banquet Bear, of New Zealand, is an expert on American politics and history. I yield the floor. :rolleyes:
He is both the symptom and the disease. He is both the flame and the wind which fans it. This whole administration is like binge watching “Breaking Bad”. You were OK with him when he strangled Krazy 8 in the basement, right. You were OK with it maybe when he let Jessica Jones (Q’s daughter) die, right. You were OK when he told Jesse to kill Gale because, kind of self-defense, right. And now that he’s ordered a bunch of killings you want to draw the line? Sorry.
Thank Og. Let’s see if you stick to it, at least for a little while.
…AOC said:
“When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.”
Please explain how I “misquoted” her.
This is how the geniuses at the Facebook group Vietnam Veterans for T***p are spinning it:
What the everliving fuck? The 4 are Americans, and 3 of the 4 were born in the US. Even the one who wasn’t has been a citizen longer than Melania. This it the depth of the racism, bigotry, and stupidity that drives the right. Of COURSE they’re going to vote Republican like they always do. The question is, will this drive people in the middle toward them or away from them?
…I’ve bolded what you ommitted from your original post.
Right, emphasis on “newly-elected.”
“Women of color” had no connotative meaning at all.
Okay.
…didn’t you yield the floor?
Wow! An hour and 16 minutes; is that a new record?