Trump vs. Google. Can anyone possibly defend this?

As even he reported on his intro, most of what he describes as fake news sources did not report about very inflammatory accusations like the alleged rape of a 13 year old by Trump, In essence he can not even deny that his case is weak and based on what most of the right wing info sphere tells him.

Get what? Unless he does turn against Trump and his lies* he only tell us apologies with only half the truth on them.

  • Really, with a case like Mark Dice, the video evidence that even guys like Jimmy Kimmel point at is more accurate and Mark Dice, like Alex Jones is more likely to call himself an entertainer when pressed to the wall.

As for “picking up”, sure he does, to tell us that “Articles about controversial subjects like global warming, illegal immigration, and abortion all have massive liberal bias” When those are Mark Dice’s biases talking (as shown by his previous publications, Mark has not learned anything new).

As pointed many times before, issues like climate change are not really based on being liberal or conservative, if Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt had been in power now the issue would be mostly a conservative one. People like Dice just push for discord and misleading information when there is no need for it.

No, it’s evidence of Google’s algorithm.

One of the reasons that Google became nearly synonymous with “search engine” is that (in earlier days of search engines) they weighed results differently than many of the other search engines. Fairly quickly, many people found that Google’s results were more in line with what they wanted than the other engines. Over time, Google has continued to refine their methods - for example, that it individualizes searches. You and I will get different results, based on what we’ve searched for in the past (I did not get the videos that you list in your post when I searched) because Google knows our search histories and remembers.

So, really, what his experiment show is that “Typing in the title of my video doesn’t put it at the top of the search results.” It doesn’t show why not. If, for example, YouTube considers all NBC properties together when considering popularity, then that total far outstrips the conservative youtubers numbers. They might be looking at things other than the title. They also might consider things like ad revenue for the various clips. They might look at engagement (how fast do people click away after starting the video. And I don’t know what they’d consider good or bad, because who knows how the monetize that). They might be sending you to the clip that will send you down a YouTube hole and keep you on the site for a long time watching clip-after-clip-after-clip. It might use the date of the video or clips or the date of clicks (and again, I don’t know whether newer or older will drive something higher or lower) Who knows what its algorithm is doing? And reverse engineering it seems to be difficult, otherwise people would Bing things.

It is possible that Google is sinking conservative sites or clips or news. But it doesn’t seem likely. It doesn’t pass the Occam’s Razor test. The example you listed isn’t the proof that he (or you) claim it is; it is a small (and not very interesting) data point.

It is a typical Conspiracy Theorist play, ignore the 9,999 factoids that point to the so-called mainstream view and hammer on the one that supports your favorite CT.

“How about this picture?? See? No tracks behind the moon buggy! That proves–”

"There are no tracks because they’re lost in the sun’s glare. This picture has tracks, and this and this and so does this.

“All fakes!1!!”

I must have missed the last part you imply to be there: “And I shall give you a microphone to spread your stupidity everywhere!”

The algorithms Google uses can probably be manipulated. But Trump seems to consider anything unflattering or unfavourable as “fake news”. If it is fair to say Trump has a unique perspective on many diplomatic and political traditions, than it is fair to say many people (including journalists) question the wisdom of such policies.

Should the electric company be able to cut off your electricity if they do not like your political views? The water company your water? The phone company your phone service? Credit Card companies your financial transactions? I’ve heard a debate: make Google a utility or not. They could also make Google kind of like a utility, but some slightly different type of entity. There is precedent in the concept of a monopoly, and breaking monopolies up. Add to that the fact that Google may have had help from the taxpayer funded military/intelligence services, perhaps in exchange for Google helping them. Maybe that is all classified. Maybe there is unclassified evidence already out there. The Wikipedia article on DARPA says:
“DARPA-funded projects have provided significant technologies that influenced many non-military fields, such as computer networking and the basis for the modern Internet…”
So we see taxpayer funds have helped Google.

Taxpayer funds have helped everyone. You may have once heard of an obscure fellow saying “You didn’t build that”, a few years back.

Yeah that was Obama. Google really doesn’t have to be imposed on very much. Just require they provide options: turn off “authoritativeness” criteria, turn off “hate speech” detector, etc.

The “Google is a utility” argument fails on at least two levels:
[ul]
[li]A search engine, unlike power and water, is not a necessity for daily life[/li][li]Even if it was, there are other search engines[/li][/ul]
What’s more, Google isn’t cutting off Trump’s ability to use their search engine. He just doesn’t like what he sees there.

If you’re actually trying to muster an argument for *lawful *administration action to regulate Google, you need to start over.

I’ve solved it:
Google can either cease all joint projects with the military, intellegence services, and any other government entity, OR as a condition on that taxpayer funded help: provide options to turn off “authoritativeness” criteria, “hate speech detector”, etc. It doesn’t have to be a new law. All Trump has to do is add that condition to any such contracts.
THE END
(Solved by Jim Peebles.)

I’m sure you are aware that the military, intelligence services, and any other government entity initiated these projects, right? It’s in the government’s best interest to have these joint projects.

Also, you can easily start your own search engine with all those options you want.

Yeah, just ask Kim Dotcom.

That has nothing to do with dealing with the explanations that showed that guys like Dice are the very essence of misinformation nowadays.

AFAIK Kim Dotcom got into trouble for file sharing, not a browser. He was let go in New Zealand on account of how governments lied to get even more accusations going against him. But he is still facing extradition to the US on account of violating copyright laws. Still, that does not counter the observation that nowadays he is also falling for stupid conspiracies and infecting many of the Republicans with misinformation.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/142854/fox-news-finally-retracted-seth-rich-story-will-sean-hannity-follow-suit

Kim Dotcom got arrested for a cloud storage site. Google Drive is cloud storage. You might argue his site had a “file sharing” emphasis. But people upload and share copyrighted stuff to Youtube all the time. No one at Google and Youtube gets arrested for it. Would they throw the book at anyone trying to start their own competiton to Google and Youtube like they did Kim Dotcom?

Give us evidence that this is relevant to what Trump is talking about Google “the browser” and then it will be relevant.

Not likely if they understand how to deal with copyright issues, YouTube has implemented extensive audio and video fingerprinting to help protect copyrighted material. Besides that, they have other ways to enforce copyright issues, and once again this has nothing to do with what Trump is complaining about, again, irrelevant and a very sorry defence of the Mango Mussolini. And one has to notice that you ignore that Kim Dotcom is also part of the misleading army out there.

When did youtube implement audio and video fingerprinting? How long did they get away not having it? No, Trump isn’t just talking about the search engine. People going against the globalist elite are being censored/banned on all sorts of internet platforms.

Now that would show that Trump is smarter? If anything, this issue points to even more evidence of how Trump and others avoid it at all costs.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/08/trump-obsession-social-media-technology-811132

Alas, you do not point to any evidence that he was talking about biases in Google file sharing. What you pointed were guys that are not only peddling ignorance but also stupidity, the evidence points to their gross misunderstandings of the facts as very good reasons why they are not (and should not) win this one. That goes for Dice, Dotcom and Donald. DuncesX3.

That was a side point. Someone said “start your own search engine”. I was saying what happened to Kim Dotcom suggests people encroaching on google’s turf may experience similar attacks. The country is doing great under Trump. So great the globalist elite are censoring his supporters. That should make you want to vote all Republican in the midterms, so they won’t succeed with the bogus impeachment nonsense. You don’t have to be a republican. I’m not. This is the globalist elite vs. the American people.

Nope. Read the evidence that shows that censoring is not the case, and many of those tech companies that Trump is trying to undermine are a big part of how great we are doing.

As noted, what you did here and before is actually pointing at evidence of why we should counter disinformers, and also why to vote against them.