Kolak, ignoring you.
Yes, precisely. This is exactly what I was alluding to in my “eleven” reference in the OP.
Kolak, ignoring you.
Yes, precisely. This is exactly what I was alluding to in my “eleven” reference in the OP.
Goodness, Donald will never commit suicide. He inflicts pain and hopelessness, he doesn’t suffer from it.
Full scorched earth. Screaming “fraud,” wrecking entire government departments, grabbing everything he can for himself on the way out. Partly as hostage against the legal ramifications sure to follow him from the White House.
But we haven’t beaten him yet.
I don’t think the US will have another election while Tr*mp is alive. Given that, I can get behind any scenario that has the Donald acting like a petulant toddler.
Right up until the day he reports to prison. And even after that, somehow.
Trump is way too incompetent to pull off an election cancellation. It’s the next, much savvier, demagogue who learns from Trump’s crude example that we need to worry about.
There will be a mysterious fire at the White House, after several days of sightings of more moving vans leaving with full loads than could be accounted for by the amount of belongings the Trumps brought in. The fire will burn the place down to the foundations.
Yes, that’s the only reason the fire hasn’t happened yet.
There is a zero percent chance that the GOP in the Senate will ever move against Trump. The Republican party is entirely the Party of Trump now and each of their re-elections and chance to hold power hinges entirely on the whims of Trump’s devotees. Trump could literally set fire to the White House and McConnell would still run to wipe his ass at a finger snap.
That actually could change.
All it would take is the Kochs, Sheldon Adelson, and the rest of the top-dollar donors, calling Mitch and saying “we thought this guy could be handled, but he’s wrecking our businesses. Pence will follow orders. Get on it”------and Donald would be out on his ass within the month.
He will not concede the election
If he loses, I can see him skipping the inaugural.
He will most definitely not greet the Democratic victor in the White House. His cabinet will not lift a finger to help in the transition. He’ll leave a day before the Inauguration, and his last acts will be to pardon himself and leave a note in the desk stating “Drop the bomb- exterminate them all.”
Then he’ll be off to join Fox and go on fundraisers to pay his legal bills for his upcoming trials.
What a sweet picture you paint… I like it.
Me too.
Disagree. As Sherrerd points out, they will turn on him in a hot second if he becomes too much of a PITA. There are some true Trump loyalists in the House, but precious few in the Senate.
There are 47 Democrats and Independents in the Senate. It takes 67 votes to convict an impeached President. Name 20 Republican senators who would listen to their top-dollar donors and vote to convict Donald Trump of anything, up to and including cold-blooded murder.
Don’t forget, the Republicans added two Senate seats in the 2018 election. There are 22 Republican Senate seats up for election in 2020. Unless 20 out of the 22 incumbents have already decided to retire, it’s not going to happen.
By the way, one of those 22 is Mitch McConnell. Another is Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma. How do you think they’ll vote?
Kent, I think you lost the plot. I was talking about a December impeachment, which would be six years before those senators have to stand for reelection.
You’re right, I missed the plot. Are you talking about impeaching Donald Trump in December 2020 after he lost the election? The Donald Trump who wouldn’t technically have “lost” until the Electors from the several states meet in their respective state capitals on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, and whose votes are counted and certified in a joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021? The defeated candidate who would leave office on January 20, 2021?
Okay, I think I get the scenario now. I vote for seclusion at Mar-a-lago with furious tweets, and perhaps a trip to Russia on the government dime so he can play a round of golf in the sunny Crimea.
Uh, all of them.
You seem to assume these Senators feel a personal loyalty to Trump.
They are loyal to keeping their seats. If a combination of enough* of their major donors and enough* of their voters say ‘we’re done with this jackass; vote to get rid of him or you will lose your seat,’ then they will vote to get rid of him.
Now, admittedly, some of those Senators are probably fond of the rancid clown’s racism and sexism and successful-so-far grifting and general bullying ways. But if it’s their own butts (and financial welfare) on the line, they will vote to deep-six him.
*I mean “enough” literally: numbers great enough to convince said Senator that the seat really will be in jeopardy if they vote to protect Trump.
(my bolding in the quote)
And some of them will vote to remove him simply if they have the political leeway to go either way.
Kent, that does sound like a plausible scenario. Do you agree there’s no way he attends the inaugural?
I don’t think suicide is his style. He’s too self absorbed for that. I could see him leaving with bad grace when/if he loses. Anyone else think he might not make it that long, you know, health wise? I mean, the guy eats really bad…and this from someone (me) who’s diet would probably appall most 'dopers. He’s also under incredible stress (much of it of his own making), and he’s not exactly a spring chicken. He LOOKS really, really old…I have never seen a president age as fast as this dude has. I mean, they all look run down after 8 years compared to how they were going in (Obama looked REALLY bad after he was finally out, though I’m glad he’s looking better now), but Trump looks bad 3 years in. Like death warmed over bad.
My WAG is…he might not make it to re-election. Either he will keel over at some point, or his health will deteriorate to the point he basically can’t run. Hell, it would be the perfect excuse for him, though I think it’s actually a real thing…he could say, yeah, I’d have won but my health from those nasty Democrats forced me to call it off!
I don’t agree there’s “no way.” I think a more plausible scenario is that he skips all those nice formalities, like a visit with the incoming President and a last farewell to the White House staff, he shows up at the actual Inauguration ceremony and scowls all the way through it, then disappears as soon as the ceremonies end, and the next thing the public sees is a distant shot of his plane taking off from Andrews AFB.
The furious tweets will continue, possibly throughout the ceremony itself.