I read a couple of pages…funny stuff. I came up with something, but I’ll save you all a continuation…and it would piss off the Bernheads… 
I know it’s oh so trendy to call Trump a racist, but he has done less to earn the label than you have.
Unless you are aware of something I’m not.
Here is a hint: “illegal immigrant” is not a race.
If someone says “we need to deal with illegal immigrants from Mexico”, and you presume they are referring to all Hispanics or all Mexicans, it’s not them being racist, it’s you.
Repeating bogus and racist made-up statistics, multiple times, is racist. Insisting, based on zero evidence (and mounds of contrary evidence), that a black person is lying about his birthplace and was actually born in Kenya, is racist. Feigning ignorance about racist supporters to avoid criticizing them is racist.
I don’t know if he actually believes this stuff, but the actions and statements were racist.
Ah, the old “You’re a racist for pointing out my racism!” gambit. One of the classics.
It certainly is one in certain mouths, including Trump’s. Hint: The Minutemen would not exist and a Wall would not be even an idea, if the illegal-immigration pressure were coming from Canada instead of Mexico.
No, it’s still them, because “all Hispanics or all Mexicans” is exactly what they mean.
Statistics are racist! (hint:they are not) The Trumpist’s contempt for or dismissal of the Only Black Lives Matter movement is shared by many many people, many of them black:
No, it’s not, it’s explicitly nativist. This is so very very simple. Saying a bad thing about a black person isn’t automatically racist, even if it isn’t true. The attitude is so incredibly paternalistic.
That’s not what happened, as has been shown countless times before. But go ahead and keep trying to rape the square hole of Trump’s nationalism and nativism with the round peg of your accusations of racism. I am sure you are a better judge than the black neurosurgeon who grew up in the hood and knows Trump personally.
“Nativism”? Do you think nitpicking what kind of bigotry it is makes it less bigoted?
Also loving the “Hey, Trump has a black friend so he can’t be racist” thing.
This has nothing to do with the false stats made up by racists that Trump repeated multiple times.
If you want to call it one kind of bigotry instead of another, that’s not much of a defense. Trump repeatedly lied about Obama’s birth – whether due to racism, nativism, stupidity, or other malicious intent, it reflects very, very poorly on him.
Based on the absolutely batshit stuff Carson has asserted over and over again, his grasp on reality seems rather tenuous. I see no reason to believe he’s any better a judge of Trump than he is on the function of the Egyptian pyramids.
Trump has said racist things. I don’t know if he’s personally a racist, but I don’t much care. I think it’s wrong to say racist things, no matter the motivation.
Sometimes they are (hint:when they are a lie)
That does not match up with reality. Not at all.
I get that you desperately need for this to be true, since all of the ammunition you have accumulated and practiced lobbing is effective only against racism. But it’s not true. Trump and his supporters say it over and over again, they have no problem whatsoever with Hispanics. As they say “we are all Americans”. And they have no problem with Mexicans or any other immigrants as long as they came in legally.
I don’t think you or Politifact know how Twitter work.
A retweet means “hey look at this thing, what do you think about it?”
It does not mean “hey, look at this thing, I hereby attest that this thing is accurate”
A retweet means, “I agree with this”.
*Perhaps *true for you and me.
For a politician where their entire stock in trade is their audience’s perception of them, everything they say, or do, or don’t do, is another brush stroke in the portrait of themselves they’re painting to show to the world.
They don’t have the luxury of posting value-neutral “Isn’t this interesting?” stuff. Politics is all about deciding. All about being for or against. There isn’t time or space for disinterested observation. Sure us in the audience can be scholars of the science, disinterested observers of the back and forth. The participants don’t have that luxury.
Whatever they say, whatever they do, is properly treated as an endorsement, or a denunciation, of whatever it is. And in the absences of an explicit denunciation the only sensible interpretation of a retweet (or any other form of restatement of other’s words) is as an endorsement. Period. Amen.
So you’re sort of right: It may not strictly mean “I hereby attest that this thing is accurate.” But it does mean “I agree with this.” and/or “I believe this is true or should be true.” Which are very far from value-neutral stances.
Thinking otherwise is naiveté on the order of the JAQ folks believing they truly are just asking (value neutral) questions. Or it’s deliberate disingenuousness on a scale that’s only persuasive to 8th graders and younger. So which of these fault describes your position; I honestly can’t tell?
No, I don’t think you know how politics works.
Any statement that goes out with a candidate’s name attached becomes a policy position, tied around his neck until election day. So it damn well better be a position the candidate is willing to fight and die for. No sane candidate just “throws out” discussion points.
If it’s something the candidate would rather not avow, then either (a) his campaign is out of control and loose cannons are in charge or (b) he’s a flip-flopper. Not a good look in either case.
Hey, look at this scary black gangster next to a bunch of made up statistics, what do you think about it?
Sure it does. It shows that he is not just pandering to white people with the stuff. He is pandering to everyone sympathetic to the idea that certain loud segments like the media or activists such as BLM downplay the importance of personal responsibility by focusing on white-on-black or police-on-innocent-black violence instead of the more common black on black or police-on-black-guy-that-deserved-it. The group of Americans sympathetic to this message is racially diverse.
There are good reasons to oppose nationalism and nativism. They are mostly different than the good reasons to oppose racism.
He did lie about Obama’s birth. And he vilified illegal immigrants from Mexico as rapists. Pandering to nativists is how he became the leader of the GOP primary.
I don’t think he has much experience with farming or with Egyptology. He certainly has personal experience with being black in America, in many different social strata.
What racist things has he said?
He might be pandering to people other than racists also, but by repeating bullshit racist stuff, he was trying to pander to racists.
Again, the stuff in question was totally bogus and false statistics, made up by racists. He repeated racist stuff, which is racist. Not particularly hard.
Yes, nativism is a different form of bigotry than racism. I think Trump’s bullshit lies about Obama’s birth can be both.
Pandering to racists helped also.
Yes, and there were black people in Louisiana who voted for David Duke. That Duke might have had a few black supporters doesn’t mean Duke wasn’t a racist, and that Trump might doesn’t mean he hasn’t said racist things.
Repeating bullshit, bogus made up stuff created by racists; lying about Obama’s birthplace; calling illegal immigrants “rapists”; and feigning ignorance about the racists supporting him.
It’s a judgment call, and obviously we judge these statements differently.
:dubious: No, it’s racist, because they wouldn’t be saying that, and there would be no Birtherism, if Obama’s father had been French or German or something white, and you know it precious well.
Not even you could possibly believe that.
As a Hispanic I already had plenty of experience with conservative Republicans and Trump supporters, you are just an ignorant that wants to avoid the evidence that Trump, if he is no racist, he is an enabler of racists; like many Republican politicians. Only that he is doing it more in the open.
Until he repudiates Joe Arpaio (and it has to be noted here that both Republican senators from Arizona advised Republican candidates to avoid him before the primaries). I will have to assume that Trump is very tolerant of racists and people that abuse the law to harass Hispanics, and not only the undocumented ones.