Truthers and conspiracy theorists

Don’t forget, the airliners are all loaded with the chemicals that make chemtrails.

Nobody even KNOWS how hot that stuff burns.

I want to hug this post, then maybe throttle it. :smiley: I was just waiting for the right moment to drop that reference, and now you’ve beaten me to the punch.

I thought it was a euphemism for kikes

Contrast the Wiki write-up on Rothschilds with the first article on the list when I Googled “House of Rothschild”. The Wiki article is pretty easy to follow but that other article reads like one of Robert Anton Wilson’s stranger fantasies.

edited to add: The latter article comes from a larger website listing craploads of conspiracy theories.

If I were to tell you the government was willing to stage a false flag terrorist attack on its own people and blame it on a foreign nation as a justification to go to war, would you call me a conspiracy theorist?

If so, I point out that we were one president’s signature away from doing so…in 1962.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Not close to implementation at all, they were stupid ideas immediately shot down by the Prez. From your cite:

Just yesterday my daughter and I stopped by an artist’s studio–it’s Art Tour in our community and lots of artists have open studios where they’re selling things and showing off their work.

Anyway, coincidentally this particular artist was a metalworker. She showed my 7 year old daughter how she put a steel rod into a furnace until it was hot. Then she took the hot metal out of the furnace and pounded on it for a minute, turning a metal rod into a twisted vine shape.

So what does that prove? It proves that hot metal bends more easily than cold metal. Blacksmiths for thousands of years have known this simple fact, that hot metal can be bent and shaped with ease, yet cold metal is tough.

So what happens when you take steel beams that are strong enough to hold up a skyscraper when the steel beams are at room temperature, and pour a bunch of jet fuel and paper on them and light the jet fuel on fire? The steel won’t melt obviously, it takes much hotter temperatures to melt steel. But hot metal, even metal that isn’t red hot, is much weaker than cold metal. A girder that can hold a certain load at room temperature can fail under the exact same load when the girder is heated.

My daughter and I saw a simple demonstration of this physical phenomenon just yesterday. Coincidence? Or did it happen for a reason?

No. Governments are capable of truly horrifying things in attempts to advance ideology or personal goals. But there’s a difference between what you’re proposing and the general nuttiness of CTers. If you were to say “this particular event was a false flag and the official story is all wrong”, then I’d expect some damn good evidence. Not just “It would theoretically be consistent for it to be a false flag”. Actual evidence. And this is the problem.

If someone only believed in a third of the conspiracies from the third link I provided in post #124, wouldn’t they be hiding in a cave somewhere out of fear that 2/3 of the Earth’s population are involved in evil conspiracies? I’m pretty sure that if you including every conspiracy theory on that list you would have to have the aliens stored at Area 51 call in support to make up for the deficit of people on this planet.

Conspiracy theorists work for the government’s disinformation campaign to distract from the real conspiracies. Except me! You can trust me.

I have suggested to conspiracy theorists that they are being hoaxed to distract people from effective joint action against real problems.

Aside from the occasional head asploding, this approach seldom bears fruit. :frowning:

Are there any studies as to whether or no CTs see conspiracy everywhere or just in one area? For example, if you are a “We never went to the Moon” CTer then are you also likely to be a “9/11 was faked” CTer as well or do you just lock in on one? Incidently, my SIL was explaining to us that there is a tunnel that runs from Denver Airport (DIA) to Philadelphia because she saw a documentary on it on youtube.

My take is that there is a level of self-aggrandisement in CTs. It’s not only the “I know something the common people do not.” Watch any show. These people think they should be allowed onto air force bases or every room in DIA like private offices and transformer rooms. Failure to allow them carte blanche to go anywhere they want proves the conspiracy.

My favorite question for them is why if everything is so super-secret do ‘they’ drop clues? Why would the New World Order do business as New World Consulting to build DIA instead of calling themselves Jim Bob Septic Cleaning? Why paint murals showing your super secret plan to take over the world (maybe by bringing mole men to the Western White House via the tunnel from Philadelphia)?

Yes, people who believe in one CT are more likely to believe in other CTs, even when the two CTs conflict.

This was posted earlier: http://www.academia.edu/1207098/Dead_and_alive_Beliefs_in_contradictory_conspiracy_theories

Go read Skyscrapers on fire, not collapsing or Give me your 9/11 conspiracy theories! And/or their debunking from a few years ago to see the issue he is trying to revive once again. (Not that it will be worth your time, but that is as close to coherence as you will get on the topic.)

Looks like I’ll have to read some of those articles cited.

Actually, No. He does not have to do any such thing in this thread. This thread is not a zombie revival of the threads to which I have already linked.

This thread addresses the issue of the factors, (psychological, emotional, intellectual, etc.), that drive people to engage in CT thinking.

Anyone who has a desperate need to examine the paucity of evidence and logic inherent in the majority of Conspiracy Theories needs to open a new thread to do so.

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I consider myself “average” on CT’s as I don’t buy into everything. I’ll look at everything with curiosity and a grain of salt. I’ve seen the “there was no plane” 9/11 idea, the missile idea, the military plane idea, and they’re as phony as the NIST reports that ignore the use of explosives.

I reviewed all sorts of other hogwash about knocking down wood framed buildings, how the firemen can’t tell the difference between molten steel or aluminum (which doesn’t glow, it turns black and goes away if you play with it under an acetylene torch). The former CIA insider claiming that remote detonation and wireless explosives brought down the twin towers did get a nod from me as plausible. All I know is the official story doesn’t explain what can be reviewed over and over on YouTube.

I don’t know whether most CT’s think Sandy Hook was a hoax or not. I saw the material and refuse to take sides. I hope that’s the average “response”. But I will say I am sufficiently suspicious of the establishment, after having been lied to, and wouldn’t put it past the establishment to create a hoax as deplorable as that.

Hope that helps with your collective perspective of a typical CT’r.

I saw where one CT’r “followed the money” on 9/11 and was surprised to learn the Rothschilds claim to be Jewish. I would have guessed Catholic, or perhaps just plain atheist.

Why are so many dumbed down people like me embracing conspiracy theories?

It’s because we KNOW we’ve been lied to. I used to have a “User’s License” as the ultimate consumer of dynamite and primer cord issued by the Washington State Department of Labor and Industries. When I saw the TV “live account” of the second plane hitting the South tower on that fateful day I was horrified to see both twin towers on fire. Smoke billowing out both steel framed fireproof skyscapers.

Then the unexplainable happened. BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM gone! Both towers! Then eight hours later, a much more conventional looking controlled demolition of Building 7. No black pyroclastic clouds like the twin towers exhibited.

What happened cannot be explained by a “collapse”. I may only be the sweat and muscle behind hard work, but I’ve got a brain that learned all about the concrete I used a jackhammer on, just does not “go away”-- just because something heavy is pounding on top of it. I may be strong but I’m not stupid.

Perhaps there are other ‘up close and personal’ things that get a person as suspicious as myself to start questioning everything. 9/11/2001 has floored me with the understanding that my government lies to me and the news isn’t calling them on it.

So I read with comfort the words from JFK, and hope for a day when we can attain the honest investigative journalism he called for. I see promise with our young and this internet venue.

I need to digress and clean out some of the rants and fix that truncated JFK piece I had no idea about in the webpage I made to collect what I thought was important.

I read that entire thread about the man who would go bankrupt by going to work at less pay by reason of daycare for his kids adding financial strain too.

I care.

And I seriously take issue with the establishment lying to us all.

Until we get to the bottom of 9/11/2001 we aren’t going anywhere free or independent. All I smell is tyranny.

The illegitimate establishment that would have us all unarmed in public so they can be more comfortable enjoying their double standard of liberty and privacy while the rest of us all turn ourselves in and sign up for obamacare… is LYING.

That’s the bottom line. Perhaps the magic bullet did it for others, but I was in kindergarten when that happened. 9/11/2001 is the lie that riles me and has me questioning everything.

So from an incurable “conspiracy theorist”, yours truly, I hope I’ve shed some light on what makes a CT’r tick.

It was on the president’s desk, already having been approved by the Secretary of Defense and joint chiefs of staff.

I should think they wouldn’t waste the president’s time with stupid ideas they have no intention of implementing. Consider me naive I guess. We all know the highest-ranking officials in the country are prone to frivolity on matters of national security.

I argue with my best friend about “fate” or “destiny” or "when your number is up, it’s up, and when it’s not you can’t even commit suicide…

I’d like to think we all are free moral agents able to change our paths for the better when we learn. But he has a point, if the “Creator” is not bound by linear time, is able to walk forward to review my death (right? no? ok fine, but I’m not an atheist)

Your heated steel girder is not the gigantic steel used to construct a skyscraper with. AND you fail to consider how fast the kerosene burned off, AND how all the steel that was at ambient temperature failed to slow it’s decent.

I’ll be your “mythbuster”.

No, thank you.