Tumblr can eat a gigantic bag of porn-sized dicks

Well, the fandom gifsets will disappear under Article 13, so yeah. I guess this is a way for Yahoo! to kill it off and cut their losses.

ETA: Well, I’m exaggerating on both counts.

But this is serious. This is akin to an actual porn site–not host, site–deciding to ban even artistic nudity. This won’t just knock out the explicit orgy images and the corruption fantasies, but the mild nudity posted by people who were way away from the freaky end of what was on there. This is a lot worse than anyone expected.

I’m pretty pissed about this too, tbh. I love Tumblr and have so many artists I follow on there that have really nowhere else to go that gives them the following and freedoms they had on Tumblr. Many people are losing their actual livelihoods because of this. Already posts are being flagged and accounts are being banned before the ‘deadline’. They’re even flagging things that are tagged with words like gay, lesbian, trans, etc.

Part of me blames Apple for instigating this (and apparently they’re being sued over their monopoly of apps?). Apple in general is pretty well known in being very anti-adult material. Though another part of me blames Tumblr more because their inability to care enough to police their own site is what led to this. As much as I’d love to say this move is going to kill Tumblr in the end, I really don’t think it will. And that just makes me mad. There’s tons of ‘squeaky clean’ sites on the web for people who don’t want to chance seeing porn. And there’s tons of sites just completely saturated with it. Tumblr was a nice little spot in the middle where you could mostly choose what level of ‘adult’ material you were exposed to. Were there some ‘accidents’ due to people tagging shit wrong? Yeah. But like, you kinda were aware of that danger.

I’m mostly rambling now cause I’m just so done with this puritanical way of dealing with anything that gets even modestly popular. But gdi Tumblr. :mad:

:):):slight_smile: Don’t sweat it. It’s one of my pet peeves. Sorry if I overexplained the issue.

I don’t think it’ll kill it off, but I don’t really see a way for it to grow, either. When it comes to the clean stuff, it is in a rather saturated market. What reason is there for someone to choose Tumblr? The main reasons before were the attitude on porn and the more social justice minded community.

Even the anti-LGBT crowd tend to love their porn and hate censorship, so they’d not want to stick around.

Yahoo still survives, so probably will Tumblr. But I think it’s going to be a shell of its former self, and never really recover, unless they get some sort of extremely lucky break.

If you look at the statistics on PornHub, you also find that there is a ton of traffic from those “conservative” countries. So it doesn’t really seem to be something that would matter.

It’s also not that hard to segment out the adult stuff from the non-adult stuff, and make it where, by default, you can’t get to the adult stuff. Nudity detecting algorithms exist, and word filtering is fairly easy.

Google’s safe search works quite well at blocking things when it is on. Heck, I’m not sure they couldn’t just use Google for site searches (with forced on Safe Search) and not have problems.

The real problem is just detecting bots. But, again, Captcha is actually working quite well elsewhere.

What puzzles me is why they wouldn’t create a parallel website entitled Pormblr or something like that. They could even spin it off if they thought it became a problem for their brand. It would beat setting their property on fire.

I helped contribute to this article. :slight_smile:

But as an aside… Note this bit.

This isn’t about porn bots or child porn. :mad:

I wrote this a couple of hours ago, not having read the Vox piece, and debated posting it. This is what it looks like from where I’m sitting, but I may be wrong. Anyone want to correct any misunderstandings?

So, it looks like things played out this way:

Tumblr was a money loser for years.

David Karp, Tumblr’s “Dad,” sold it to Yahoo! to keep the lights on. Yahoo! tried adding lots of ads—too many, too intrusive ads. So many of the users just blocked them. (Including me. I’m sorry, but it got to be too much.) And some of the ads were not well-targeted in that early period. I don’t know what the ads are like now, and I don’t care. That’s how done I am with Yahoo!'s ads.

So Yahoo! eventually ended up selling out / merging into Oath, which has one of the most sinister names for a tech company in this timeline (and apparently also owns Verizon, which isn’t helping their credibility). Oath didn’t make the same promises to Karp that Yahoo! did. Now they have to deal with the giant money suck full of crabby teenage users with no money.

What to do?

Strangle it, probably, and let the freeloaders who have no money be someone else’s problem. Who even needs customers among the peons when all the nation’s wealth is concentrated in the hands of the 0.01%?

Oh, wait. You still need credibility. You want to appear popular, and to pretend that there are supposedly customers out there (even though in post-2008 reality they’re commoners with no disposable income). OK, keep the “woke baes” and let the freaks go. That’ll look good among our social class.

But of course the “woke baes” include the parts of Tumblr that have the worst reputation. Among the users, Tumblr isn’t hated for the porn; we loathe the snots who harass kids off the site and drive young’uns to suicide.

Meanwhile the porn part of Tumblr, as far as I know, were mainly just quietly sitting there looking at porn. (Except for the porn bots, who were following everybody for possibly nefarious purposes and posting stolen photos with ostensible prostitution links almost no one was crazy enough to click on. They were worrying and offensive.)

Tumblr’s still going to have an awful business model. But now it also has well earned the distrust and even fury of the users. It may already be dead. And that’s great if you just want not to have to support it, but not if you wanted any cred for running it.

I saw somewhere else where someone suggested “Cumbler.”

Kevin Drum thinks the anger should be directed at Apple and Tumblr didn’t have a choice. He also thinks that Tumblr should simply provide a crippled app for Apple.

I’m dubious, given the Vox article. But Drum’s comment section has a few gems among the dross: [INDENT] Mike

Just to weigh in on how bad Tumblr is at child porn.

First and simplest to fix, reporting a post for containing something illict, against the Terms of Use, or – you know – because it’s child porn – is incredibly difficult. There’s no easy access to a report button or anything. Unlike every other major service around, Tumblr is real slow to react and not pro-active at all about finding the stuff.

However, that’s not the major problem. The major problem is how stupid Tumblr is about how it reacts to child porn. It removes the image, of course. They got that much right. Except – and here’s where the sheer stupidity comes in – they do not remove the reblogging chain.

Tumblr works by somone posting an image, and various other users hitting “like” or even “reblogging” it on their own Tumblr site. Which means if you see an image (any image) you can click on it and get the entire history of everyone that’s ever reblogged it, which plenty of people use to find other Tumblr sites that are into the sorts of things they like (from pretty scenery to hardcore fetish porn or whatever).

Tumblr removes the image, but will not remove the stupid chain of reblogs and likes. Which means that while the image is gone, it leaves the people who like that stuff with a freaking LIST of everyone into the same thing – in this case, child porn!

That one, stupid, inconceivable choice – the refusal to not just remove the image, but nuke the entire thread of it’s existence – actually enables more child porn, because Tumblr has happily told the pedophiles – even if the image has been removed – where to find more just like it! Tumblr creates networks of pedophiles and child pornographers through sheer bloody stupidity.

At times I can’t help but wonder if they’ve been working as an FBI honeypot, or perhaps whether someone high up in management is big into child porn himself, because I cannot figure out any legitimate reason they don’t just nuke those images, and everyone that reblogged or liked them, from orbit. Instead of just removing only the image.

But I suspect the reality is more banal – sheer freaking laziness. Removing the image alone is sufficient to handle copyright claims, takedown notices, and the usual sort of problem. Tumblr just decided child porn wasn’t any difference, and didn’t want to spend the effort to differentiate it from other takedown notices, much less create a more effective response.

They just didn’t care until Apple came along.

Why Is Tumblr Taking the Fall for Apple? – Mother Jones [/INDENT] More generally, it’s odd that twitter and Tumblr don’t adopt a business model where you need to pay if your followers reach a certain critical mass. (Also provide a mechanism for your fans to chip in for what are essentially hosting fees.)

I’ve been saying elsewhere that I was sure the Apple store thing was just cover for what they wanted to do anyways, and it seems I was right. If it was about the child porn bots, they could have just used anti-bot tactics.

And the stuff being blocked by the bots is worse than I imagined. People who talk about toys?

My question is whether the “SJW” side of Tumblr will be willing to back their statements with action, and back away from the platform. They keep saying that there’s nothing else, so I worry they will reluctantly stay, even Tumblr continues to try and become “family friendly.”

At least use adblockers, so that the one reason they want users won’t work. Why the hell give them money?

Very interesting article. So, it’s about ads (by the way I’m really wondering why a company wouldn’t want its adds to be seen besides adult content. It doesn’t really make sense), it was planed and they have grand expectations of massive increase of the number of users. And hope among other things that they’ll find ways to monetize social activists.

Something else that bothers me is that I met my long distance gf on tumblr, and several years of our common online history will disappear (she doesn’t mind, she doesn’t tend to stick to the past, but it really annoys me).

I noticed references to the new blogging platform pillowfort. Does anybody know more about them?

I assume it’s things like “my little pony” fans, nothing sinister. Wait…I realize you meant the opposite of what I thought. I’m absolutely not surprised that bots are blocking all sorts of completely innocuous stuff, they’re quite famous for that.

And there’s no reference to “child porn bots” (who would build a child porn bot and why? It’s not like you can advertise for your child porn website), only porn bots (of which there were plenty, even though Tumblr seemed able to relatively quickly delete their accounts).

Tumblr is owned by Verizon. The technical problem the are having is Congress, which is getting some heat about big companies like AOL/Yahoo/Tumblr and Google/YouTube or Facebook snooping on you, owning you, and selling you.

The solution they have come up with to this technical problem is virtue signaling. These are good companies that care about morals and certainly don’t need regulation of their core business.

I’d rather have the enormous archive of porn and less snooping, if we’re looking for a “virtuous” company. This is, in effect, someone locking up part of a public library and confiscating part of it.

And yes, I have been on Tumblr for years, and yes, there is creepy stuff on there. But they’re going way beyond “creepy stuff” in what they say they’re refusing to publish.

My understanding was that a lot of bot porn was underage. And I have definitely heard of sites in other countries that allow this sort of thing to go unchecked–usually Russia is the one that is mentioned, but also some small, poorer countries.

I don’t think it would be hard to shut down a child porn ring. Just start at the reported child porn, and read all the metadata: who visits it, who has reblogged, liked, commented, etc. Allow it to spider if you find any child porn on these other accounts. The only way I can envision it being difficult is if they can easily put their content back up on another account.

Yes. First I got one that looked threatening, carefully worded, reference to a keystroke logger and quoting my throwaway password. But it did not state exactly which sites I had visited. I ignored it, nothing has happened. Since I have good AV software and a VPN, I figured I was reasonably safe.

Then came a flood of identical blackmail emails, worded very generally. Those I just deleted on the spot. No more came after a week. Now it is back to “Grab 16,000 woodworking plans”, 50 times over.

Am I the only one who sees that thread title and misreads it as Trump can eat a gigantic bag of popcorn-sized dicks?

Only me? Okay, just checking.

Speaking of things Tumblr sucks at: their backup app. It fucking sucks. It has been running for three days with no visible progress.

Ads seem to be where a lot of online entities fail.

NoScript, AdBlock, and such were a reaction, not to ads, but the intrusive ads that would pop under your browser window and use your speakers, pop over the content you were trying to view and make you click it away, play a video you could not stop, and hidden spots where a click would send you somewhere you didn’t want to go. Advertisers tried too hard.

Trying to scoop up user data to see what they like isn’t much of a help. I might like left handed blivets, but I don’t like videos telling me about blivets I can buy when I’m trying to find out what is the Peanuts theme music. The content of the ads isn’t the problem, it’s the presentation.

Make it like a magazine ad- place it between paragraphs. If I’m interested I will read it, if not I skip past.

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4chan was mentioned. Christpher Poole could never make money from the site, but he did diligently create a means to fight CP. His successor is trying to split 4chan into NSFW porn ad boards and business friendly 4channel. It sounds like a good idea, it may work.

My point is money and law is driving some foolish changes by those who don’t understand what they are doing and what they have. These people don’t understand, but they want to make money. Somehow.

Now I’m going to think up an online (or not) school to teach execs about internet stuff.