:smack: 'luci! Totally got me there.
-XT
Wow, you really should read a few more threads.
While it’s an extreme position, there’s nothing particularly unusual about the statement that ‘war is always wrong’ - pacifism is a fairly well-documented point of view, and even if you make exceptions for self-defence, pre-emption of attacks and whatever, it’s still not that unreasonable to say that actual full-on invasion of another nations soverign territory is unnecessarily aggressive. For pretty much any invasion in history you can find groups who have moral objections, and in the modern world you’re unlikely to get blanket approval to carry out any invasion. So what it comes down to is usually “well, we feel that we have a right to invade, and no-one who disagrees is going to do anything to stop us, or else”. War is pretty much the breakdown of civilized relationships between nations, and as a result the rulebook is not only very thin, it’s not enforced.
Well, I’m pretty sure that the moral high ground didn’t help the Cubans much, since you can’t fortify it. Similarly, after Trinity the US didn’t really need it
Interesting. Ignorance fought. I did not know that the NFZ restrictions were imposed by the successful side in the fight.
Although, it’s not unusual. We defeated Japan and Germany, and prohibited some things there as well. When you roll over, you can expect certain restrictions placed on you… good or bad.
However, we are looking at derailing this thread into a pointless discussion about the past, as opposed to discussing the potential for Turkish action in Iraq.
I am curious if the Iraqi gov’t will ask the US military to help defend civilian areas, once the Turks kill some by accident?
Whats special about the timing now? The PKK has been raiding eastern Turkey for decades, why didn’t they throw their hat in the ring with Bush’s coalition to begin with?
Because the Kurds are not the Sunnies or the Shiites and Turkey’s got no truck with the latter two. Thus it would have been senseless for them to join the The Coalition Of The Unwilling.
You misspelled “Willing”.
That’s a problem with the Bush administration. You’ve got to dial the satire up to eleven in order to rise above the reality.
That’s two whooshes in one fairly short thread. I’d suggest consulting your doctor about your irony deficency.
**Point of fact, I most certainly didn’t: **
The Coalition Of The Unwilling. - Google Search
**Seriously, what’s keeping you from reality? Beyond blind jingoism of course.
No Kreskin here, but as wannabe Kreskin, you should treat your day as such – day-dreams, hallucinations, or this Administration’s favorite.: slight of hand to so many already so predisposed prior to it already.
Just sayin’…your posts don’t seem to take facts, or reality for that matter, into consideration (witness the no-fly zone mantra), what the facts are.
Good luck with that. As I said priorly, up to my coxy with this particular “debate.” Sadly, although won by sheer common sense prior to Day One, it didn’t take an Einstein to predict the outcome…believe it or not, it is actually other family and friends that call me that.
Not that I get lathered-up about it of course…guess they are sick of mine being right all the time. Like now.
Say now, should I speak about my innate modesty?
Guesstimate the OP would only be a few pages or so…**
No need…you will note that in my response to you I caveatted my statement on the off chance you were speaking tongue in cheek. So…that’s only one whoosh.
-XT
Turkey ‘invades’ huh… so what was it over 10 years ago when Turkish troops moved into Northern Iraq at the invitation of the Peshmerga to hunt the PKK?
Actually I agree with the point you’re making but a couple of nitpicks,its the Welsh who have unnatural tendencies towards sheep and they get very offended if you try to take that away from them.
Also Scots are actually British,as an Englishman who casually mentioned to his Scots father that he wasn’t British(I was only a kid alright !)I can assure you that they get a trifle annoyed if you say that.
Theres nothing ostensible about it ,no hidden agenda,no territorial ambitions .
The PKK is a terrorist organisation who will quite happily kill an American or Brit or Albanian if it suits their purposes.
They regulary murder Turks.
Iraq has said that Turkey should not infringe Iraqs territorial integrity.
In that case then Iraq should sort out their terrorist problem themselves otherwise it could be construed as the PKK having the tacit approval for their actions from the Iraqi government which could be seen as an act of war.
Of course in the real world we know that that is not the case but that the Iraqi government, is through no fault of their own,physically incapable of restraining the PKKs actions.
But you cant have your cake and eat it,if you cant walk the walk then let the Turks get on with it .
While the Iraqi government is playing at politics people are dying.