TV Or Movie Characters Who Are Written To Be Virtuous But Are Really Jerks--Or Vice Versa

I love the show and am a big Squidward fan… glad to see that another adult appreciates that the show is over the heads of children…

I’d add, and I don’t think I’m being an apologist, that Ralph would never hit Alice. It was all bluster and they both knew it. He needed to win the argument, so threatening to send her to the moon was his way of getting the last word. He loved her dearly.

Now, threatening violence is also spouse abuse, and I’m not diminishing that. But Alice wasn’t threatened. This was the 50s - if he got too out of hand, she’s just him him over the head with a cast iron frying pan, or a rolling pin. :eek::slight_smile:

“Baby, you’re the greatest!”

The audience knew it as well, which is why they never found it offensive. To this day, I still don’t. I grew up in a truly abusive household, and I know the difference between everyday bluster and real domestic violence.

Pierce was called out on it at least twice - once when he tried to make a pass at a visiting Swedish (I think) doctor, and another when he used a bottle of vintage wine to, er, “date” one of the nurses. The only reason he wasn’t serving time in Leavenworth was because he was such a skilled surgeon that nobody dared say anything. (Then again, the only reason he wasn’t promoted to major was because of his shenanigans.)

Right. Whenever Ralph would say something like that, Alice would just roll her eyes or say “Har-de-har-har!” And she was verbally abusive toward him, constantly making fun of his weight or insulting his intelligence.

Kramden was not the sharpest stick in the pile. I would venture to say that he was friends with Norton to make him appear to be intelligent.

But Rhett isn’t supposed to be a virtuous paragon. He’s an out-and-out scoundrel, and the only reason he likes Scarlett is because he knows she’s a scoundrel too. Everybody else can’t see what a poisonous viper Scarlett is, except him, but he admires her for it.

Norton sounded and acted stupid, but was really much more knowledgeable and competent than Ralph was. His apartment was much better furnished (although that was because he bought things on credit).

I don’t recall the murders from either format, but it has been a long time since I read the novel or watched the film.

He watched Captain Video. :dubious:

Mariette Hartley, mmmmmmmmmmm! :o

David White, who played Larry Tate on Bewitched, on Have Gun Will Travel, playing an asshole friend of Paladin, who, of course, Paladin kills.

Actually at the end of every episode he would hug Alice and say “Baby, you’re the greatest”. Now if you want to say sensibilities are different now over husbands threatening wives, fine. But clearly ever time Ralph does, Alice stands there with her arms folded, knowing he is full of hot air.

Proves my point.:smiley:

The Nortons had a TV, when the Kramdens didn’t. IIRC, they had a refrigerator when the Kramdens had an old-fashioned ice box. They had curtains on the window while the Kramdens’ bare window looked straight onto the fire escape. The Nortons had floral wallpaper instead of bare walls.

And Ed was a man of the world compared to Ralph. Trixie was originally supposedly a former stripper/“burlesque artist” but was soon retconned into an ordinary housewife.

The main characters from Rent. A bunch of young little shits who believe they shouldn’t have to pay rent because they’re “artist” and can’t sell out to the man. There’s one scene where we hear one of the character’s mother on the answering machine telling him how much she loves him and wants to talk to him. The character then says something like “Every time I think of leaving New York I think of my parents and it keeps me here.” I wanted to throttle the lot of them. Get off my lawn!

Let us not forget, when Dukhat died in a space battle with an Earth Force ship, she called for a Holy War of Extinction against the Human Race.
Captain Ben Sisko spearheaded a security program making family members of key Federation personnel prove they weren’t shapeshifting Founders by submitting to spot checks of blood tests on demand…and was willing to arrest his own father when he balked at the intrusion.

He was obsessed with bringing Maquis leader Eddington to justice and poisoned a planet full of refugees just to flush him out.

Finally, In order to trick the Romulans into joining the Dominion War, he entered into a conspiracy which includes murdering a counterfeiter to silence him, Destroying a ship and crew of a Romulan Diplomatic envoy…including a Senator. Violating the Prime Directive.

Sisko loves the United Federation of Planets, and will justify the means when he feels he needs to. Other people get in the way, and sacrifices must be imposed.

In fairness, she was upset and said ‘kill them all’ in the heat of the moment, she didn’t actually sit back and calmly decide on that course of action or work convince the council to start a war. I blame that one on the Minbari’s insane government setup, where an angry utterance from a person who’s clearly not thinking rationally becomes an irrevocable decision to start a long war of extermination. You’d think they’d insist on meditating before making the ‘no backsies’ genocide decision, considering how spiritual they are.

Well, Sherlock is written to be “on the side of the angels” and is always seen to be rescuing people, but he’s still a major dick. To John, to Molly, to Greg, to his clients, and even sometimes to Mrs. Hudson. He tries to be a dick to Mycroft, but Mycroft can out-dick him.

“Korean”? The peasants dressed as Vietnamese, the officer background stories placed them in Vietnam era, and they were using Bell Huey helicopters!

The question is why did they place the Vietnam war in Korea? I assume (I don’t know the answer), that they just copied the name of the country from an original book?