Vorlon, why can’t you just be nice?
Toleration of ignorance is a virtue. Toleration of willful ignorance is not. Toleration of the willful ignorance of incompetence is a disgrace.
Zoe helped start the rain of insults and abuse… I will finish it.
Okay, then. Why can’t you just not be a jackass?
And we define willfull ignorance as ‘disagreeing with TVAA’?
No, we define willful ignorance as “repeating inaccurate and incorrect information even after appropriate sources of correct information have been provided”.
That definition makes you the champ.
Only that that the only source you provide for the accurate information is your own opinion. I searched thefirst few pages of the GD thread and you offer no cites to back up your argument.
I don’t know that he’s ever offered a cite to back up any argument. In fact, he always dismisses my cites, including those from Stanford University. And then he whines about appeals to authority.
The causes of depression are complex and the appropriate treatment varies from patient to patient and is best determined by a physician.
Wrong again, Sherlock. Depression is sometimes caused by an imbalance in serotonin levels. I didn’t say whether they were low levels or high levels.
Speaking of “appropriate sources of correct information,” this source is one that you have referred to yourself and is certainly reputable – The National Institute of Mental Health. They bill themselves as “the world’s leading mental health biomedical organization” – and indicate that they “conduct and support research on the causes, diagnosis, prevention, and treatment of depression.” (bolding added.)
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/depresfact.cfm
Here are some excerpts:
(That’s why those old textbooks are so limiting.)
And from this reference, also from the National Institute of Mental Health:
And finally, I ran across this on the same page. I contradicts something that you had mentioned before:
You do have to be under supervision when you stop taking anti-depressants. Although they are not addictive, stopping them suddenly can cause other problems.
I do feel that it is fair to make one observation. My therapy seems to be working.
** Who will probably determine the appropriate treatment through trial and error…
** Even you aren’t stupid enough to suggest that depression can be caused by excessive serotonin, and the suggestion that lowered levels of serotonin can cause depression has been experimentally disproven.
Those pages – written for the general public, which is (as you’ve amply demonstrated) almost completely ignorant about neurobiological research – are oversimplified at best and grossly inaccurate at worst.
Phrases like “out of balance” don’t signify anything of importance – we already know that absolute levels of neurotransmitters aren’t meaningful.
The claims that neurotransmitter deficiencies are somehow responsible for depression and other psychiatric disorders predate modern imaging methods, sister, as is the proof that model is inadequate to explain them. All those methods have shown is that areas of the brain known to be associated with certain functions show atypical patterns of activation in individuals whose function is atypical. Big surprise.
What exactly do you think repeating the full name for the SSRI acronym does for your position? :rolleyes:
** I don’t recall saying that antidepressants are addictive – in fact, I recall saying the exact opposite. However, they are tolerance-inducing, which means that a person who takes them long enough will experience a rebound effect if they stop “suddenly” – which in the case of most antidepressants is any period of time shorter than several weeks.
What you know about psychiatry would fill a Klein bottle.
Since the inside and the outside of a Klein bottle are the same, it follows that what I know about psychiatry would fill most of a universe.
Which isn’t true, but thanks for the compliment anyway.
I suspect you know almost as much about psychiatry as you know about hyperdimensional topology. 
Has this reached “do not feed the trolls” status yet? Just checking.
Eh. I think I’ll stop responding soon, even if Zoe comes back with more of her “evidence”. :rolleyes: It’s just not worth the effort anymore.
My point’s been made.
Eh. I think I’ll stop responding soon, even if Zoe comes back with more of her “evidence”. :rolleyes: It’s just not worth the effort anymore.
My point’s been made.
Ack! Triply-accursed hamsters!
Well, that definitely makes my point, I suppose.
I would just like to say that I have not seen one single cite from TVAA proving anything about anything anyone has said, especially himself.
On the other hand, I have seen TVAA ridicule others’ cites. Hmmm…
What point?
Cite?
Could you post a link to the lab report from that experiment? In other words, cite?
Hmmm, maybe Zoe was trying to be helpful and tell us what the acronyms mean…
What, you haven’t read the GD thread that started this debate? I have quite a few cites there.
Including the ones you ask for. (By the way, if you have to ask for a cite for the statement that appropriate treatments for mental illnesses are chosen by trial and error, you don’t know anything about how physicians actually go about it. Finding an effective antidepressant, for example, can take months – unless a person has a family history that suggests they’ll respond to a particular drug, they can only prescribe and see what the results are.)