Twin Peaks - The Return Parts 17 and 18 (open spoilers)

After all these episodes, and all this time listening to actors speak backwards, it finally occurred to me that Bob sounds the same backwards.

The car they were driving seemed to indicate they weren’t too far in the past…

Anyway, of all the unanswered questions (Audrey, Charlie, Josie, Jerry, Judy, Room key, guy in the cell, is it future or is it past) for some reason, what I want to know most is: It seemed like Cooper was looking at something specific right before asked “what year is it?”, he was kind of bent over and seemed to be looking at something. What did he see that made him question the year???

Also, did the relationship with Diane strike anyone as odd? he was in love with Caroline (Windom Earle’s wife), then he was falling in love with Annie… but was he actually in love with Diane the whole time?

I have to go back and watch it again, but I was wondering the same thing about why he asked the year. Also, I feel like I missed why alternate-Laura screamed at the very end. It seemed like more than just a reaction to driving all night and not finding her parents.

That bugged me, too. In the original run it was never even hinted at that there was a romantic relationship between Coop & Diane. But I supposed with all the time travel maybe they were involved sometime else?

So when they are first driving and on their way to the motel, they are in a late 80’s early 90’s town car. So I thought it was a flashback to before all this happened, or possibly shortly after he rescued Laura from being killed. When he wakes up the next morning (???) and she’s gone, it’s a different (or possibly same but rebuilt hotel) and his car is a modern town car. So maybe in the “Laura doesn’t die” world, he never meets Annie and turns to Dianne to get over losing Earl’s wife?

The best reaction Ive seen of this so far online is that Cooper and Diane sleeping with each other is Cooper’s way of trying to undo her trauma. It doesn’t work (hence her covering his face during it, and leaving in the morning), and is immediately followed by Cooper trying to undo Laura’s trauma, by bringing her back to the place where the worst things that have ever happened to her happened. Moral of the story, you can’t undo trauma, trying to do so makes it worse (much like how we the audience wanted to undo the trauma of Cooper’s imprisonment in season two, only to find the solution gets us further and further from what we want).

In a number of reviews, they mentioned that the names that the woman at the house gives are for the old woman who had the grandson that was into magic, back in the original series and the movie. (The boy who was into magic was either Lynch’s son, I think.)

I didn’t look it up, but I thought that was the same name!

I like this, that scene at the hotel certainly seemed devoid of passion, like it was an act meant to serve a purpose.

And while saving Laura from the trauma at the train car, she certainly still found it (the dead guy in her apartment).

I can’t find it on IMCDB yet, but the first car was a model from the '60’s, before headrests, with the old-style “ring” horn button, and a round chrome exterior mirror (which rules out a Lincoln). My guess is something like a 1965 Chrysler New Yorker.

You could well be right. I was just guessing considering the time frame of the incidents. I could tell it was much older than the car he got into after he woke up.

Just before Laura/Carrie screamed, you can hear a voice calling “Lauraaaa!” I wouldn’t have known this if it hadn’t been in the closed captions. I replayed it with the volume turned WAY up and heard it. It sounded to me like Leland Palmer’s voice, coming from inside the house.

I also thought, at first, that Cooper was looking down at something when he asked what year it was. On further reflection I’m thinking maybe he was overwhelmed and confused.

I don’t think Cooper necessarily screwed up the timeline with his attempt to save Laura past. Rather, I think that the Judy-entity subverted his efforts by snatching up Laura (when she disappeared in the woods while following Coop) and moving her, with a new name and false memories, to an illusory world (created by Judy). Laura/Carrie heard Leland’s voice—the real world leaking through the fake one—and realized who she really was.

Cooper’s drive from Odessa, Texas to Twin Peaks (which would ordinarily take about 30 hours) seemed to be happening almost entirely in darkness, with no visible landmarks other than a stop at a gas station. There’s also that odd incident where Laura wonders if they’re being followed—all we see are two perfectly circular stationary headlights. All of this suggests to me that the entire journey was an illusion.

Missed the edit window … I’ve seen some folks on Reddit saying that the voice calling “Laura!” in the final scene is Sarah Palmer, not Leland. That would make more sense since Leland is dead in the present-day world. I was thinking of him since Cooper had just seen him in the Lodge.

I thought it sounded like Sarah, but others seem to think it was Leland.

I recall thinking that it sounded like Sarah from the pilot episode, when she didn’t yet realize that Laura was missing and was shouting from downstairs to get her out of bed. I think they used the original audio.

But I can’t swear to that. I just tried to check and for some reason Comcast only has 17 available in On Demand. 18 isn’t there.

Kyle MacLachlan said today that there are no discussions currently about more Twin Peaks.

Honestly, I can accept episode 18 as a finale. He tried to save Laura, did save her from dying, but messed up the world.

It’s not a great ending, but it is an ending. And Bob did die(so to speak) in the previous episode, so that is resolved as well.

By the way, I wasn’t watching close enough. Did they use a body double for young Laura going with Cooper(when he rescued her from her murder) or did they throw a wig on the actress to make her look younger?

What kind of story could they even do? Cooper and Laura jumping around through time trying to set things right, like some bad sci-fi trope?

It wouldn’t even be the same show. It’d be more like a bad spinoff: “The adventures of Special Agent Dale Cooper in Time and Space”.

I supposed, if they really wanted, they could do a movie that sort of fills in the gaps, but I can’t see them doing another series.

They’d be filling in the gaps in a reality that no longer exists. Audrey may not have even been in that explosion. Cooper may not have ever come to Twin Peaks in the first place. In this new reality we have no gaps that need filling (or we have one huge gap, depending on how you look at it).

Which makes me realize something. If Cooper didn’t come to Twin Peaks then presumably he never ended up in the lodge with all that followed from that.

So Dougie was recreated and returned to Janey-E and Sonny Jim, and we all smiled and were happy.

But then Cooper changed reality so that Dougie never existed, so Janey-E never married him and Sonny-Jim never even existed!

I thought it was a different actress, but it’s hard to tell. It looked like Lynch was avoiding showing her face clearly (she was always in shadow, out of focus, turned away from the camera, etc).