Twists that everyone knows

Is every surprise a twist? This is revealed about 15% of the way into the movie. And I don’t think anyone could have avoided the marketing at the time.

I think this is another example of “a plot development/resolution” being confused for a twist. Figuring out Soze’s identity is the central theme of the movie and the notion that it’s quite possibly the alter ego of one of the criminals on the boat is presented explicitly well before the final reveal. The way in which the viewer is shown how Soze improvised his way through the interview to throw off suspicion is memorable, but it’s no more a twist than a murder mystery ending with the reveal of the murderer - the movie had to end with SOMEONE being revealed as Soze.

If I learned anything from The Walking Dead it’s that any deaths, especially of main or supporting characters, that aren’t explicitly shown on screen, didn’t happen. We should have come to expect it much sooner than we all caught on. The first time they did it was in the second episode of the first season (Merle).

The Usual Suspects is 25 years old, Six Sense is 21 years old. I feel like most of ‘us’ know the plot twists, but anyone under, say, 25-30 won’t if they haven’t seen it. Neither of those movies are regularly talked about like they were back in the 90’s or 00’s.
Besides, in both cases, I don’t think anyone wouldn’t think they were twists, even if they knew it going in.

The movie “The Others”, starring Nicole Kidman. Have you watched it?

Excellent movie. Helped to change my opinion about Nicole Kidman’s acting in fact.

No, and I have no idea what the movie is about, much less what the twist is. And I see a fair number of movies.

I don’t think it qualifies as something “everyone knows.”

“Soylent Green is people!” and the fact that the Planet of the Apes is Earth are pretty universally known.

“God that dies, visits the underworld, and returns to life” would have already been a well-worn topic on ScrollTropes back then.

I have, and it does have a great twist, but I’m not sure it’s an ‘everyone knows’ thing.

Not really a twist, but a well known secret:

Racer X is really Speed’s brother Rex.

The twist is that, given Soze’s identity, the entire story you just head about Soze is a lie: the narrator you considered to be reliable is 100% unreliable.

In certain circles yes, but to the largely illiterate crowds I think not. And consider that “the story” actually did convince people to take up a new religion and way of viewing life. Part of the attraction must have been the message that the twist sent out to people.

Like I stated before, you don’t have to believe in the Bible story literally, but you can’t deny that it had a huge impact for a reason. Part of that reason was the twist of everlasting life and forgiveness of your sins.

Bit of a pet peeve of mine in these types of threads. If you put something in a spoiler without giving us a hint at what it is, we have to click on, thus ruining the effect of the spoiler.

It’s like saying:

In Fight Club the narrator and Tyler are the same person.

Instead of:
In The Sixth Sense

Bruce Willis is dead.

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It’s still not a twist “everyone knows.”

I have not seen it or read the spoilers, but now it is on my watch list. Thanks!

Do you really think that applies in this case?

Ripley being the last survivor of the Nostromo. I was a bit too young to know at the time, but I’ve read that Sigourney Weaver was then a young, relatively unknown actor when she was cast in Alien; in a ensemble cast with established stars like Tom Skerritt and John Hurt, she could have been expected to be among the first to die. The fact that the “big names” all died, and the obscure character survived, was the twist.

ETA: The Others is a great film, but hardly well-known. Very much worth watching, though.

Does the Twilight Zone: “To Serve Man” count?

I don’t remember it being suggested that one of the six was Keyser Soze. It’s been far too long since I saw that movie for the first time and I thought we were led to believe that he was a faceless someone other than the six.

Watch Queen of the Desert. She’s great in it and was overlooked.