This is similar to the MLS tiebreaker kick. You’re allowed to dribble in, but the goalkeeper is allowed to rush as well.
A penalty in the normal course of play is supposed to be punitive, so that ratio is fine. A penalty shootout in a knock-out game isn’t perfect, but it is dramatic, and is a genuine test for the penalty takers.
It’s not like IFAB haven’t experimented with ways to decide tied (after 90 mins) knock-out games - it’s just that the experiments never really worked out as expected.
I like that. Scoring percentage. Though I wonder if that might make games too conservative, where players are worried about taking risky shots (or trained not to do it) and would make the games lower-scoring. Would that improve the game?
But I still think the idea has merit.
What exactly have they experimented with other than overtime, sudden-death overtime, and penalty kicks? What about the MLS “penalty kicks”, alternating corner kicks, alternating 3 on 2 (+goalie) scrimmages? In the latter two, the ball stays in play until the goalie holds it, the offense kicks it out of bounds or the defense clears it past some line to be determined. I’d prefer any of those to penalty kicks.
Mostly to try and shorten the extra-time period. Golden goal (and briefly Silver, but I don’t recall how that latter one worked). Anyway, it turns out decent teams just game things, and they mostly ended up not working as intended. Leagues are, of course, free to experiment in their own competitions.
It’s just that we’re trying to figure out ways to fix soccer so that it’s, y’know, interesting. Fun. Good. After landing on the moon and winning two world wars, we just got used to doing things better than everyone else. It’s in our blood.
I’ve seen top male teams hold their own against each other 11 v. 9, so for women I would at least say 11 v 8 vs a top male high school team to be competitive, 11 v. 7 or 6 for a top male team. This assumes that the game is played with no restrictions on physical play.
I wonder, in male v women friendlies, are the males instructed to cut back on the grab ass and grab balls that is standard in the male game, especially during free kicks? Or is it anything goes?
And how to improve the game- stop the penalties for fouls that were not going to result a chance on goal- I am at the top of the box firing a pass backwards towards my own goal, its hits an opponents arm, ridiculous penalty for me!
Shots on goal are any shots that would have went in if not for hitting an obstacle, so once every few minutes someone could do that relatively easily if they wanted to, so wouldnt automaitcally be proof of better play… Plus if you hit the bar 10 times, coming within inches of a goal each time, you have no shots on goal.
Being down two players is a serious handicap. The team with the advantage has two players free at any point in time. That’s very difficult to defend against. Down three players would be almost impossible to win.
Top-level U-19 men’s teams are very good and very fast.
Wait… What? I played soccer in high school, what “grab ass” and “grab balls” are you talking about? That was never a thing!
Unless that’s some slang we didn’t use when I played…
To gain position on a restart, like a throw in, or especially on a corner kick, it’s not unknown to have players grab each other in the genital region. Obviously, this discomforts the guy receiving the attention, and he might recoil or otherwise abandon the position the grabber seeks to occupy. Apocryphal at the high school level I played at too. We still watched out for the tactic.
An American football version is to punch a jumping defensive lineman (when he’s trying to deflect a pass or kick) in the solar plexus. Source, my father who played D1 football in the 1960s.
To be fair, wasn’t the FC Dallas developmental team a U-15 squad? Don’t know about the boys on that club, but I gained a ton of mass and strength between my 15th and 19th year.
I’m guessing you’d have to take up 5 to 6 of the men to make it a game.
There’s no need. Most shoot-outs are decided within 5 kicks each, more than 7 or 8 kicks each is very rare.
I think this (and the idea of having the shoot-out before extra time, so one team has more to play for) are the only two changes that deserve serious consideration, and neither one is obviously better than the status quo).
No, I think you are right that that is a serious problem with this idea.
Golden goal (as most will know) means the first team to score in extra time wins the game there and then. But after the first couple of trials, it seemed that rather than make teams more attacking in extra time, it actually made them more defensive, since the penalty for failure was so high. This led to dull, pointless extra time periods. Silver goal was then invented as a compromise, whereby if a team scored in the first 15 minutes of extra time and remained ahead at the turnaround, they were declared the winner. But it didn’t really fix the problem.
Don’t call us, we’ll call you. As has been stated ad nauseam in these threads, it’s not really broken. It’s true that the penalty shoot-out doesn’t test the full range of football skills and can turn on a slip or stroke of luck, but that’s true of most other solutions, too. It’s exciting and it works - it doesn’t really need fixing.
Yeah, I played for 20 years, man and boy, and it’s not a thing. Maybe a few rogue players might try it (including one or two famous examples) but they could expect pretty swift and vicious retribution in most cases.
For reference: Vinnie Jones vs Paul Gascoigne
Yup, that’s the one I was thinking of! The fact this photo is still famous 25 or so years after the fact is evidence that it’s not a common practice, methinks.
Penalty kicks are certainly better than a coin-flip, as I’ve heard some proposed. Sure, it doesn’t test the full range of soccer skills, but at least it’s based on some sort of soccer skill. And it concludes quickly enough that you don’t need to drag out the game significantly, like extra periods might.
In high school, for one season they floated a novel “solution” for extra-time, or over-time as it is in the states. I can’t remember exactly what the flow was - I think this was after so much over-time and then in lieu of penalty shots the teams would take turns at corner kicks. The defense only needing to clear past 30 yards? Maybe midfield. It was a little goofy and I remember practicing the routine of it but it never came into actual play anyway because we didn’t draw any playoff games. In fact, we won all but one. Damn it.
Because the keepers chances of saving increase exponentially.
If those are the criteria for who gets to decide the rules of football (soccer), sounds like we should ask the Russians.