Two questions for creationists...

May I direct you to this thread?

And I’m asking you to point out the biggest one.

While we’re at it, why don’t we focus solely on things that advance the evolutionary arguement, and ignore everything that takes away from it? Good idea? :rolleyes:

Entirely subjective. Give me some grounds for an answer, what type of repsonse are you looking for?

What about it?

Please read the OP again

I’ve already answered the OP, Mangetout. Perhaps you should head back up the thread and read MY response again.

(Why do evolutionsts love running in circles?)

Look, if you want to discuss something outside this topic, then start your own thread, it’s not difficult.

I don’t see anything of substance up there, OK, you propose the Bible as evidence of the existence of God, yes, I think you may be right, but you think the Bible is entirely literal truth? well, I used to think that (actually the word ‘think’ isn’t appropriate in that sentence), I’m afraid you’ll have hard time convincing many people here that the Bible is literally true in every single verse.

Now as regards holes in the theory of bilogical evolution, you haven’t given me anything, you try to involve the physics of the big bang, which has nothing to do with biological evolution (except that that’s where matter came from, no, I’m asking about what has happened to that matter, here on earth, in geological history.

Haha, such a defeatist tone! Look, if evolution is the reason we are here, then the materials that created the universe and supposedly created LIFE ON EARTH had to come from somewhere. But heck, let’s ignore the fact that evolution can’t take place unless the materials to allow it COME FROM SOMEWHERE. Because apparently that aspect is whole-heartedly irrelevant?

Let me put in scientific terms, perhaps then you’ll understand?

A = Materials to create universe and everything in it.
B = How materials came to be.
C = Life appears, and, evolves.

You can’t have C without A. You can’t have A without B. You want me to present arguements against C. My arguement against C, is B. I do not know how I can make this any clearer.

Well it’s a good thing I’m not claiming that to be the case, isn’t it?

Let’s assume, just for the sake of argument, that God created the universe, now apart from saying “Aha, see, then the Bible must be literally true”, can you now pick some holes in evolutionary theory for me.

…I just want to say that I do believe in microevolution. Just not macroevolution.

I never said the bible must be literally true, get this quirky idea out of your head.

In today’s performance, the part of “The Creationist” will be played by Hamish.

Right, now we’re getting somewhere.

Can you tell me what mechanism causes microevolution and what mechanism stops a whole load of micro changes spilling over into making up a macro change?

Perhaps it would help if you were to explain exactly what you are claiming then (with respect to the Bible and creation).

“Can you tell me what mechanism causes microevolution”

Random genetic mutations.

“what mechanism stops a whole load of micro changes spilling over into making up a macro change”

Micro changes are micro changes. Macro changes are macro changes. Micro changes are not macro changes.

Royal Sampler,

I am not an evolutionist.

I know of no such term.

I accept evolution because God is not a weasel.

Your mind is closed. Your heart is cold. You seek to “win” and to defeat and to dominate.

You show no love, no kindness.

You spurn the gifts the Lord has given you.

You seek to limit God and place Him in a box of your own construction.

You do the Lord no favors.

I pray that you might someday find love in your heart, and understanding that God is God, and He is infinite.

May you find peace, and surcession of your anger.

YBIC,

-andros-

I never claimed anything, Mangetout. All I did was read the OP, which asked 2 specific questions, I then proceeded to give 2 answers to those questions. I believe the Bible is a good account, but I personally do not believe it is entirely literal, because what is or what is not literal is subjective.