UFOs - Alien Beings, Weather Balloons or Natural Phenomena?

Where? I must have missed them.

Nobody’s perfect. Just because they’ve mastered interstellar flight doesn’t mean they’ve cracked invisibility.

Likewise with the view Ellie Arroway expresses in Contact: “If we were the only ones, wouldn’t that be an awful waste of space?”

So it would.

When rain falls on the ocean, that is an awful waste of fresh water.

Nevertheless, rain falls on the ocean.

Except that Charles Fort, writing in the '30s, had plenty of UFO sightings in his books. Not called that of course. I think they probably became a fad because of the cold war, though. I’ve already mentioned the unidentified flying airships from the 1890s.

I’m an engineer, and let me assure you engineers can make lots of careless mistakes, and have no better observational powers than the usual person.
(In fact I’ve worked on some careless mistakes. :slight_smile: )

He was talking about life arising, not humans, but it is still faulty logic. Since we don’t know exactly how life arose, it might be almost inevitable given the right raw materials and environment. The environment doesn’t even have to be that good, the one on Earth wasn’t, and we know the raw materials are there, from observing organic molecules floating around in space. All you need is one replicating molecule, and then evolution more or less takes over.

I recall an NPR interview with an ad exec who specializes in coming up with catchy names for new products or services. Tasked to name a new HIV-diagnosis kit, she coined “Accu-Di.” The problem with which was shortly and readily brought to her attention. The interviewer asked, in essence, “How could you, a specialist in this field, make such an obvious mistake?” Her response was, “Everybody makes mistakes, and only someone in my field could have made this one.”

This has already been touched on but there are plenty of unexplainable and documented UFOs in our skies that were reported by non-crazy, non-jack@sses. It is probably safe to believe that there were such sightings before the Cold War as well -though I am not sure which I would hang my hat on as totally solid.

What takes these UFOs to the next stop (crazy town) to is to jump from “I* saw a light in the sky that I can’t fully explain*” to “”*I saw a light in the sky that I can’t fully explain so it must be (or more than likely is or my best WAG is) that it is piloted by Aliens." *

Just saying UFO (which there undoubtedly are) does not equal Earth Visiting Aliens

First of all, Carter himself can’t recall why he filed that report, and doesn’t believe it was an alien spacecraft. Second, can anyone verify whether Carter is or was ever an engineer? I know he held a BS in physics from Annapolis, but his biographies only list “doing graduate work”; he never finished the nuclear power training school, having only studied at Union College a few months before leaving the navy (when his father died). Not that his education in physics is in any way lacking, but I hear and read so many “Carter was a nuclear engineer” comments, and … well, he wasn’t.

Actually, we do have some hard proof.

You might want to read the actual debunking. It’s by Robert Schaeffer in The UFO Verdict. It’s well-researched (Schaeffer went to a lot of effort to see what the cause might have been) and very convincing. It’s not merely some skeptic saying “Pshaw! It was probably just planets!” Schaeffer finds Carter’s report accurate and credible.

A stress reaction to the cold war is seeing flying saucers. Theres an explanation I can get behind. Whew.
There were a lot of sightings when I was growing up. It was often front page news. The stories were common and were also on the news regularly. The Michigan ones were attributed to swamp gas. The explanations got weirder and weirder. I think we have no answers. We do not know what was seen. The explanations are guesses. There is equal proof on both sides. None.

As I understand the current state of affairs in cosmology, they seem to require that the universe is infinite in size and therefore contains an infinite number of intelligent civilizations, including an infinite number that are arbitrarily similar to our own.

In fact, physicist Max Tegmark has written a peer-reviewed paper calculating expected distances to some of these. There are scenes that are absolutely indistinguishable from the one you occupy right now, down to the quantum state of every particle within the observable universe radius from that point. The distances are stunning and inconvenient to represent except by nesting layers of exponentiation.

Since I still remember when Mars had canals, probably dug to irrigate the spaces between the major population centers, I would like to preserve the plausibility of all these things being incorrect because of some other important consideration we don’t know about. Kelvin argued strenuously that the Earth could not be more than a few million years old because it would have cooled off more by now if it were - since he didn’t consider radioactivity as a heat source, he did the wrong math and got the wrong conclusion. So might we.

Well, then.

I’ve seen UFO’s. They were not identified, and they were flying (in the sense of moving around overhead), and they must have had some physical manifestation because we could see them. Owls, would be my first guess. Something natural. I doubt any UFO’s in history have been anything surprising enough to make it worth all the effort to identify them with confidence.

I think it’s stunningly unlikely that aliens have visited here, with the possible exception of microscopic life bouncing back and forth between the planets the way meteoritic materials always do (which wasn’t what anybody meant when they designed the T-shirts sold in Rosswell).

I do, though, think it’s somewhat likely that we will identify electromagnetic or other radiant communications from other intelligent worlds one of these years. It is hard to say with much confidence, but the significance to all of humanity and history of a contact, and the very low cost of continuing to search with increasing sensitivity and thoroughness, certainly seem to argue for looking.

This is simply not true, not even close to being true. Reports of UFOs that contained verifiable details are very easy to debunk to an extremely high degree of confidence, and they are on a regular basis.

It’s easy to make up something out of whole cloth and challenge someone to come up with an explanation. But when you have reports that include video (for example) they are very easy to explain with a high degree of confidence.

Some have been. Planetary configurations and Venus etal. But many have not been easily explained away. We do not know what they are.
I know none of these explanations come close to explaining what I and a childhood friend saw over 50 years ago.

There is no way to analyze 50 year old memories from someone’s childhood without direct evidence to support(or refute) those memories. Have you considered the possibility that your memory might be faulty?

초흔출장 - 출장마사지|출장안마|출장샵 Carters testimony. Sounds like planetary configuration.

Maybe #2 is true, and they are visiting, but do not want to be seen, so they are therefore hiding themselves so completely that we have no proof of them. All the so called UFO sightings are cases of mistaken identity.

I do agree that any aliens who have made it to our planet would be so far advanced that they would be like gods to us. So if they wanted to stay hidden there is probably no way to prove that they do exist or that they don’t exist.

No I have not. Because I was there.

And because memories are never wrong, never biased, never change and are a perfect recording of the world around you, right?