Uh, Cec? A bull's wang is not a "secondary sex charateristic"

From this column: Do McDonald’s Milkshakes contain seaweed?, in the section “The Canadians Have a Word for It”, Unca Cec writes:

Unca Cec, I would agree that if I’m looking at the underside of a cattle beast and see a milk-making apparatus, that would be the seconday sex characteristic of a girl bovine mammal.

However, if I look and see a, well, a wang and balls, which are admittedly hard to miss, I don’t think I’m looking at a “secondary” sex characteristic. And I think Ferdinand would be upset with me if if did say, patronizingly, “Oh, yes, secondary - decidedly secondary.”

I believe he’s referring to the horns.

I don’t believe that the presence of horns determines gender. I think its a breed thing, not a sex thing. I may remember that wrong though.

I seem to remember that the only primary sex characteristics are the testicles/ovaries, and that everything else is secondary. I’m not going to search for it at work, though, for obvious reasons.

Cows, indeed, have horns. Not a sex characteristic at all.

Cite.

Wait, that means I actually RETAINED something that I learned in class.

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I’ll have to be careful and not let this go to my head.

Yeah, small ones. Antlers are believed to be secondary secondary characteristics, why not horns?

Cause does don’t have antlers. In order for something to be a sex characteristic, it has to vary across genders. The size of a cow’s horns may be a sex characteristic, but the presence is not.

That’s not entirely true.

In case it’s not obvious: I was thinking of the spikes, not full antlers. What are cow horns but large spikes?

Oh, why not just quote the important part?

Emphasis mine.

One in twenty thousand is a statistical rate worth mentioning?

Also from your cite–

Apparently spikes are not horns.
Spikes?

No, which is the reson for the followup post. Please pay attention.

'Course not–they’re related to antlers. I was just using them as an example.

Those images are of a Longhorn cow. Compare them to those of the Longhorn bull.

Say it a little slower please. I still don’t get it.

Related how? The same way skin is related to bone, perhaps. Again, significance?

Link.

Fine. Bulls have big horns. It doesn’t make a cow horn into a spike.

Does have spikes–tiny versions of antlers on bucks. Cows’ horns are much smaller versions of those on bulls of the repective breed. Clear?

One in twenty thousand have spikes. This is the pertinent paragraph from your cite–

If you are reading that as saying ‘it is normal for does to have spikes’ I suggest a closer reading is in order. Else, why would it be necessary to add that “The spiked doe remains fertile and can produce young”? Surely it goes without saying that it is a normal characteristic for the female of a species to be fertile, yes?

What the author is saying is that, of antlered does, normally those antlers are spikes that remain in velvet. He is not referring to the general doe population; just this small subset.

I suggest you should be the one to pay attention.

No, one in twenty thousand have full antlers. Does normally have spikes.

Au contraire.

Um, the article you quoted does not specify if it’s a male or female being inspected. You could just as easily read that as ‘checking to see if it has an udder or not.’ Which would meet your criteria of secondary sex characteristics.

You’re right; I’m trying to do better. :slight_smile: