Could you go live in the woods and not bother any of us or try to undermine our society. I mean right now your participating in the use of all types of things you get for ‘free’
You’re arguing because you’ll be taxed for something you didn’t personally request you’ll abuse the system for the purposes of making it less efficient costing you and other taxpayers alike more money.
I’m not sure how you think our representative democracy is supposed to work but you know we pay taxes that go to all types of things each individual might not personally want or need. Why is this health care issue so different to you?
In general, felonies are crimes that carry a possible sentence of more than one year in prison (but could be less), whereas misdemeanors are crimes that carry a possible sentence of up to one year in jail (but technically could result in more than one year in jail if a defendant isn’t given credit for any pretrial incarceration).
Yeah, I was thinking getting a 2 years on a misdemeanor could be difficult but if a someone commits 2 or 3 misdemeanors could they manage a 2 year prescription er I mean sentence?
It was an example of a minor health concern, which is exactly what Alessan said. I have trouble believing that a minor health concern is capable of interfering that much with one’s ability to work. Or that it is necessary to go to the doctor.
So, you don’t have car insurance either? Homeowners? The reality is that most people who pay into any insurance don’t get as much out of it as they pay in, otherwise insurance companies wouldn’t be able to stay in business. But intelligent people buy it anyway, for the just-in-case and what-if.
Yeah? You have several hundred thousand dollars laying around in case you have a severe head injury or contract some expensive disease?
Someone that I know was in an accident that put him in the hospital for seven months. If an MRI costs a couple of thousand, can you imagine what his hospital stay would have cost in the USA?
Fortunately for him, he lives in a country that has UHC and it didn’t cost him anything. He doesn’t even have to have insurance at all. The health care is free.
As much as people would like to think that they can be responsible for their own health care, that can become a fantasy very quickly. It’s hard to pay your debts if you are in a coma or if you are severely disabled. And permanent care is very expensive. It wears out the caregivers too – who too often are your family members. But that’s a calculated risk you take with their lives.
Did you ever hear how Lawrence of Arabia died? After all of his dangerous undertakings, he was killed on a motorbike. Who would have thought it?
I think you’ve misunderstood my complaint about health insurance system. With other types of insurance they seem to value lifetime customers. For a younger healthy person people are arguing they should pay into a system that may not even be there for them when they actually need it.
I pay into insurance because it is just that ‘insurance’ it takes the hassle off me when something bad happens. For insurance I carry myself I carry auto(required by the state though even without the requirement I’d have it). I sold out of my house to my ex bf so no longer carry homeowners. I carry rental on my apartment and shop. I carry liability on my business. I carry health insurance the 6 months out of the year I make enough to afford it and apply for MassHealth in the middle of the six months I go without to make the state requirement.
What I don’t get is why there is not a judgment against prisoners for any medical care given? Why do we give them free everything yet won’t pay for the victims injury and no one seems to care? I’ve read of free heart operations and such, why would anyone want prisoners to have this free care? I don’t get it at all.
It’s a constitutional issue. IIRC, it’s been ruled up at the Supreme Court level that inmates are entitled to health care that meets community standards. And since they can’t provide it for themselves, the State is required to do so.
If you want that to change, work for a constitutional amendment to supercede the “cruel and unusual” clause.
I certainly think such an amendment ought be done as almost all would support that. I’d also like to see them get just one meal a day too. That is how to save budgets, start first cutting services to evil people, not good ones paying taxes.
Also the OP’s argument that prison shows why the public option is bad is all wrong. It shows it is so good doctors want in to do it, and none of the prisoners ever says to stop the free care, just give me even more of it, please. A doctor that sees you just a few minutes can still give you the prescriptions you need to live, verses not being able to see one at all, now which is better OP?
Just how did you come up with that conclusion? I’m a 100% supporter of single payer UHC as I have it here in Canada.
The fact that your government only underwrites the health care for the most and least privileged members of your society is what baffles me.
And yes, after years of hearing stories how Canadian doctors want to leave to the US be cause they can make more money in a more private system, I’m somewhat taken by the fact that American doctors are increasingly opting to become employees of the state.
Are you saying that you think it is more likely that a health insurance company is less likely to pay on a claim than car, homeowners, rental and liability? Or, do you think it is more likely that you will need the car, homeowners, rental and/or liability than health insurance? Or, do you somehow think that other types of insurance will value you more than a health insurance company will? I’m not getting why you think health insurance is a bad buy, yet you carry all the rest.
If you go back and read the thread an argument introduced was younger healthy people should pay into health insurance because it helps keep costs lower for the older customers. My argument to that was it makes no sense to buy into health insurance at a young age believing it would somehow help that same youngster when they themselves become old. To me if a health insurance company made some effort to guarantee coverage later there would be a much stronger argument.
Health insurance is just a bad guy to me because they benifit greatly by dumping customers after their prime years where other insurances have motivation to keep customers as time goes on. Granted other insurances have different standards for accessing risk, points on a drivers license or claims against you for example, just as it works out for health insurance age/health standard is a shitty one considering people don’t have control over it. From a business perspective it makes perfect sense to do as they do. I don’t find them morally flawed for such a structure.
If the young healthy people are given the option of not paying into a system and choose not to they are not making a bad decision for themselves in my opinion.
I am a proponent for UHC. A system in which all people are paying in makes sense.
I carry all the above insurances because I need them to feel secure in addition to the requirements I have them. I would love to carry health insurance year round for the same purpose but my budget doesn’t allow for it so I only carry it for the 6 month period I’m making enough to cover it which also coincides with when I’m at most risk for injury.
I don’t know, I think having the doctor tell the cutest nurse you’ve seen in your 32 years, “Take a good look because you’ll probably never seen one this big again*” ranks up there pretty high, too.
A. Socialism doesn’t mean what you think it means, insurance companies already ration health care more severely than the government would, there are no such things as ‘death panels’ (except in the current, privately-run system).
B. Single-payer would reduce or elimitate the profit motive.