UHC. You want public option? Get into prison

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@curlcoat

I think we are having a semantics problem here. He says “can’t afford”, I hear “I have this car payment, I like to party on Fridays and Saturdays”, etc. Given the spending habits of most of the people in the US, I tend to disbelieve that anyone honestly can’t afford something.

If your income fell 25% during five months of the year, how many things would you have to choose to live without during those months? What if your income fell 40%?

You work from a base presumption that everyone parties, spends money foolishly, buys luxuries constantly and that the millions and millions of us without insurance are only in that position because we’re failing to be properly frugal, we’re wasting money and not living up to the curlcoat standard of budget management.

But you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to base this presumption upon.

You’re also continuing to ignore that universal coverage – which it is important to note is not even close to being on the table in the U.S. – would lower the costs for everyone because the pool will be expanded to include everyone. So all those healthy young people will be in the pool, putting in their dollars and spreading out the risk so that older, sicker folks like you and me won’t be facing $10k a year in premiums, and not so old folks like bootyperana won’t be facing $6k a year in premiums, and the average premium for a family of four won’t be roughly the cost of an economy car every year.

But people like you, screaming and yelling about not wanting to pay anyone else’s way and screw the “irresponsible” people and not wanting your coverage to change and me me me me me memememememe I’ve got mine, screw everyone else OMG socialism derailed any chance that we might actually get truly universal, money-saving, life-saving coverage in this country any time in probably my lifetime, let alone yours. So you keep ranting on and on about universal healthcare and it’s not even an option. You can’t even keep your inaccurate and assumption-laden complaining in the realm of reality. Why should we pay your constant gibbering any attention whatsoever?

[Stoneburg]

When one finds out that prisoners get free health care while others don’t, one can respond in two ways. Either be upset and demand that prisoners have it as bad as the rest, or get upset and demand that everyone else gets at least as much as prisoners do.

Since I have access to free health care here I of course go there all the time. No, wait. I don’t. Actually I can’t even remember the last time I went to the doctor, because I haven’t been ill or injured in a long time. I mean really, is that something people are seriously afraid of, that if health care doesn’t cost, everyone will just flock to the hospitals like kids to a store handing out candy?

Now the current system in the US does seem to make it a viable option to commit a crime in order to get access to health care if you’re uninsured or not covered, and the health issue is worse than spending time in prison. I’d suggest a non-violent crime with a reasonable mandatory minimum sentence.

[Johnny_L.A]

@Stoneburg

mean really, is that something people are seriously afraid of, that if health care doesn’t cost, everyone will just flock to the hospitals like kids to a store handing out candy?

People who believe Americans are candy-grabbing children do. Ironically, these tend to be the same people who bleat on about personal responsibility. In many ways, I think we lefties are more confident in America than the flag-wavers.