UK 'dopers...tell me your thoughts about the NHS

The Grandpa from Hell died in August of 2010. The following winter, my mother and her sister managed to drag Grandma to the doctor; the doctor could not find Grandma’s last blood results, which she wanted to check to see if there were any “danger points” (things which don’t quite merit a diagnosis but which should be watched).
Mom asked “Mama, have you been to the doctor since you last came to my house?”
“What? NO! Of course not! You go to the doctor you get sick!”
“Her last blood tests were in 1994, when she came to Navarre to have her gallbladder out. I don’t think the records were electronic yet.”
blink Well then, guess we’ll do some and see if we can make her sick!”
Her bloodwork came out fine, apparently she was immune to doctors.

So, I can say that my grandmother who died at the tender age of 102 years and 350 days once went without so much as a check-up for 16 years, but I can also say that she didn’t seem to need one. Once she was living in an old folks’ home she got general checks at least once a month, blood work every three months and her numbers were gloriously in the middle of the ranges. Several doctors jokingly referred to them as “irritatingly healthy.”

For her last years, we knew she had some sort of internal bleeding; work to detect the source would have started with a colonoscopy. The home had two medicalized plants but wasn’t equipped for colonoscopies. If she’d wanted to have it checked, she would have been taken by ambulance to Sant Pau and spent between two days and several weeks there depending on how long it took to find something and on what exactly was found. Out of pocket cost would have been zero. But, since she had made it very clear that she didn’t want treatment for anything that wasn’t immediate pain, and since our family respected her wishes, she didn’t get treatment. She was even and repeatedly asked about the bleeding and her response was “one must die of something! It doesn’t hurt, leave it be.” My aunt joked that she really wanted to take a walk around Sant Pau and see the results of the recent remodel; my cousin proposed taking one of the guided tours instead.

Admittedly, most of our hospitals aren’t that pretty :slight_smile:

My mother does have a complaint about Spanish Social Security: they appear to have relented now, but for a few years they kept trying to medicate her “just in case”. You’re postmenopausic? Have calcium supplements. “Why? How do you know I need them? Shouldn’t you take a densitometry?” “… at your age, most women”“at my age, most women don’t drink several glasses of milk a day. At my age, I was told years ago I’d be in a wheelchair, do you see a wheelchair? Do that densitometry. At my age, most people can’t pronounce densitometry, I’m not taking another pill unless I need it!”
She takes that calcium supplement now, but got started on it over a decade after that wave of Just In Cases.

My sister in law has multiple complaints about Spanish Social Security, but she’s a doctor. Many of her complaints are actually about her coworkers personally; my favorite is “bah, the Medical Director of our local hospital is Medical Director because he’s good at paperwork, as a doctor he’s no big shakes so it’s no loss he doesn’t practice.” Me, I’m glad the guy found his niche.

I do have an issue, but it’s on the management side. We’ve moved from “one money bag, one nation-wide administration” to something similar to the Canadian system with every region having its own administration (the money bag is still one). It makes coordinating services more complicated; several regions have ended up creating bi- or multi-lateral agreements so they can do things like send someone who lives close to the line to the nearest hospital (which is in another region) rather than to the hospital that’s nearest within their own region. It also means that moving to a new region carries the question of what will you need in order to get a local doctor assigned; in most regions you need your ID and to spend a few minutes in line, but a couple make it more complicated.

While (as already noted) funding is not the only factor in quality, there is definitely a strong correlation between level of funding and available resource (and thus waiting times and similar). When the funding gets squeezed, quality suffers. When there’s money, things get better. It varies by Budget.

Apart from trying to get the government to stop fiddling with it? I’d like the old version of the NHS Direct helpline back.

I’ve had a few terrible doctors (one of which was subsequently “convinced to retire early” from her GP surgery after multiple complaints including mine. But I’ve already had excellent doctors, and everything in between. And I’ve had both good and bad doctors in the US system too. Doctors are people too, and a certain percentage will be incompetent, arrogant or both (I mean, consider this extreme example).

Systemically? I haven’t had any major issues with the NHS and in fact my GP found and remedied the problem that had been causing my chronic fatigue for years. The hospitals could probably use some upgrading, I suppose, but that’s a funding issue again.

There could always be more, of course, but one of the current financial problems is precisely that there has been a big wave of capital investment in shiny new hospitals, but under PFI rules: it keeps the upfront investment off the Treasury’s books and avoids their having to borrow the money as the usual Government borrowing, but the private investors have to be repaid from current NHS budgets.

I’d kill off the various tactics being used just now to move us towards a privatized system - PFI, outsourcing various parts to private companies, etc.

Are you referring to Medicaid? Did you intend to write “only in 32 states and the Dist. of Columbia”?

Yes, I am referring to Medicaid and no it’s not only in 32 states.

So if you’re poor, live in Alabama, but have no children…you qualify for Medicaid?

Yes.

Look at this page, the part where it says “eligibility categories.”

https://medicaid.alabama.gov/content/3.0_Apply/3.2_Qualifying.aspx

Which eligibility category should I, as a single adult not making much money, apply under?

Whichever one you qualify for.

Please advise how.

https://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/1618
“In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Alabama, a U.S. national, citizen, permanent resident, or legal alien, in need of health care/insurance assistance, whose financial situation would be characterized as low income or very low income. You must also be either pregnant, blind, have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, be responsible for children under 19 years of age, or be 65 years of age or older”

…bolding mine.

You’ve got to be kidding me. Thats a fricking very big caveat. So if you are poor but you aren’t pregnant, blind, with disability (or a family member with disability), with no kids or you aren’t a senior citizen, you don’t qualify? You could never ever qualify, until you got to the age of 65?

And there are people out there arguing this system is superior to the NHS? A system where to get equivalent service to the NHS they pay more to the government than you would in the UK and on top of that have to pay for insurance as well?

No, you’re saying a single adult in Alabama qualifies for Medicaid. Tell me which eligibility category they fall under.

Yes, there are some states that exclude single, childless adults with no disabilities. They’re expected to pay for food, clothing, lodging, and insurance. They’re limited to emergency treatment in hospitals for serious illness and community clinics for non-emergency care if they don’t buy insurance.

At age 65 you would be under medicare which is a different program.

In post 188, you said that a poor childless adult qualifies for Medicaid an Alabama. Now you’re saying “some states” don’t give Medicaid benefits to poor childless adults. Is Alabama one of those states that don’t offer Medicaid to poor, childless adults, notwithstanding your words in post 188?

…so when you say “some states” are you talking about a few hundred people, or millions that are excluded?

And those people that are excluded wouldn’t get the treatment you got? They would probably loose their legs? Emergency treatment only?

excluded from what exactly? emergency care, nobody. non-emergency care has community clinics.

community clinics.

The largest program is medicaid. As I’ve just gone over you still have medical care beyond that program.

What’s you’re point? We don’t have a single system. The program currently with the most problems with delays is the VA’s. It’s also the only program run by the government using it’s own facilities, people, and equipment.

Post 188, dude. Don’t change the topic.

Sorry if people are covered in other ways then medicaid?

what’s you’re point? Are you saying they don’t have medical care?