For those of us in the USA, there appear to be three ways to follow the election night coverage.
First, BBC World News (note: that’s not BBC America) will have the BBC coverage, starting at 5 PM Eastern.
Second, C-SPAN is supposed to have the ITV coverage, also starting at 5 PM Eastern. For those of you worried that the coverage will have to wait until the House of Representatives is done with “special order speeches” that go on into the night, (a) the House is not scheduled to be in session on Thursday, and (b) when it was in session on UK general election day in 2010, coverage started on C-SPAN 3 until the House adjourned. (There was a year - 1992, I think - when C-SPAN had made big plans for its coverage, including a phone-in program before a live simulcast, only for Special Order Speeches to go on for so long that not only was the phone-in cancelled but the “live” simulcast was on a delay of a few hours.)
Third, Sky and BBC coverage should be available online as part of their online election presence, although it’s possible that the TV simulcast of one or both may be restricted to certain parts of the world.
Objecting to [ Scots ] Nationalism to preserve a Union is not [ English ] Nationalism.
There are certainly English Nationalists, although very few, some in UKIP, but they’d want to eject the Scots to their own nation, and ‘Ourselves Alone’ run England without the Scots leftist streak.
Also, Nationalists of any stripe are dangerous lunatics. Best sent down to the dustbin of 19th century liberalism which begat them.
Speaking of UKIP I just got their flyer: by their bases, it was the most well-produced, closely reasoned, cogent material I have seen. None of the other parties trash comes close.
Then I got to this beauty, paraphrased:
*Stop all subsidies for Wind and Solar
Allow Fracking
Encourage renewable energies when cost-effective.*
Nutters can argue brilliantly on occasion, but the nuttery comes out in the end.
I can’t help wondering what Nicola Sturgeon will do after this election, assuming the projections are reasonably accurate. Even her opponents have declared her the star of the campaign, and it has been remarkable how prominently someone who isn’t even standing in the election has figured. With all due respect to the Scottish parliament, I wonder if she will really be content to go back to Holyrood while a suddenly much larger mob of new SNP MPs, some of them inexperienced and not expected to win their seats at time of selection, run around Westminster. And what about Alex Salmond? He seemed to have handed over the reins to Sturgeon quite graciously, but has this been his diabolical plan all along? He’ll suddenly be top dog in Westminster’s third party, and one that quite possibly will be part of some kind of support arrangement with the actual government (I know there’s already an incumbent SNP leader at Westminster, but apart from **Pjen **how many of us can name him or her without Googling?)
Sturgeon seems to be an ambitious and capable politician. Running an SNP that achieved independence would no doubt satisfy that ambition, but if that’s not possible, and it may not be, then perhaps she might think she could have been a contender at the UK level. Second female prime minister, perhaps, in some kind of coalition government?
I guess what will probably happen is that she will try to oversee the whole shebang, in Scotland and in Westminster, racking up the air miles on the Edinburgh - London shuttle in the process. Hell of a job, though, and she will still have to look on enviously as Salmond pops up all the time on Prime Minister’s Questions and the like.
That’s an understatement, I think. I’m particularly looking forward to 20-year-old Mhairi Black’s first forays in Westminster. She’s certainly not shy.
Sturgeon has no interest in Westminster which is not where the independence battle will be fought, it will just be a peripheral battle. She wants a good majority in 2016 and an opportunity for a further referendum based on the sill of the Scottish people expressed through Holyrood and opinion polls.
When there is an apparent solid majority fort independence or home rule she will engineer a further referendum.
I am sure the seventy Sinn Fein MPs caused the same sort of upheaval and disturbance to protocol that the SNP newcomers will
Your insistence on comparing Irish independence continues to be hugely insulting to the Irish, and those who fought for that independence, and also, quite frankly, disgusting.
The Scots have been, if anything, overrepresented in Parliament for 300 years, and have no legitimate claim to be hard done by, in any way, by the UK. Completely unlike the Irish, where there was a systematic attempt to destroy their culture and nation.
I really hope people will see the absurd attempt at playing the martyr card for what it is, refuse to elect SNP members, and refuse to deal with them if they demand anything to do with independence. The Scottish people comprehensively rejected it, and their representatives should do likewise.
Also, if Sturgeon wants nothing to do with Westminster, she should shut the fuck up about it.
Oh yeah, she was probably one of the ones I was thinking of! They have a few loose cannons, for sure.
For someone who has no interest in Westminster, she has spent a surprising amount of time in its vicinity in recent months, and put an awful lot of effort into the election campaign of this “peripheral” parliament. Sure, she’s an ardent Scottish nationalist, but she’s surely also personally ambitious. I wouldn’t be surprised if, given her impact in the UK election campaign, thoughts of even higher office than First Minister have crossed her mind.
I have not said that there is a similarity between the plight of the Irish and the Independence demand of the SNP.
What I am saying is that a study of how the UK lost the Irish Free State is a good educative exercise when considering how to deal with Scottish separatism…
I suspect that the Westminster establishment will mimic the Ancient regime, learning nothing and forgetting nothing.
Lack of statesmanship is more likely to split the union than a true will of the Scottish people.
Poor statesmanship could easily stoke the fires of Scottish separatism.
Given her personal contempt for Westminster, I severely doubt it. I believe she sees the SNP presence at Westminster as merely a stepping stone to independence.
You seem to have no idea about the hatred for Westminster by separatist fanatics.
If you think giving the Scots everything they ask for and then some is repeating what happened in Ireland, you need to study history a little more
Home rule allowed separation thirty years later rather than decade after decade of friction between the two cultures.
If further accommodation is not made, the demand for devolution will become a demand for independence immediately.
Alex seems rather keen to dive back into the Westminster pond again. I’m sure Nicola is absolutely fucking delighted about that…
(Aside: I fear we may be breaching the population share requirements of this thread)
So, who’s staying up all night tomorrow night to shout at the TV? I’m not working on Thursday or Friday, so need to plan sleep, and get a booze schedule worked out.
Alex almost certainly has a plan. I suspect it is not a peerage.
Further accommodation is continually being made. That a vocal minority will never be satisfied with anything has nothing to do with that.
And there won’t be another referendum for at least 20 years.
Alex’s plan has always been to keep Alex in the spotlight.
I’ll certainly bow to your superior knowledge of the views of separatist fanatics.
In your humble opinion. You have no evidence for that.
A week is a long time in politics. Five years even longer.
I don’t agree with them. I am a strong federalist and only a back seat separatist.
But I do belong to the fanatics’ discussion groups although I am often banned for not toeing the line.
It is not just the fanatics though. Among ordinary people there is a sea change occurring and I expect a solid majority for home rule to form and maybe even a majority for independence over this parliament.
It will be almost impossible to resist.