UK Oath of Allegiance

Ex-attorney general Lord Goldsmith ,is calling for such a ceremony as he says it would give teenagers a sense of belonging.

In my opinion this is all Bollocks! and as Labour peer Baroness Kennedy says: “I think it’s all a bit silly”

I’m an Englishman and fiercely proud of my country, I love it like no other and I certainly needed no Oath of Allegiance to make me feel the way I do.

This country took care of me from the moment I was born, It ensured I never went hungry and was always there whenever I needed medical care.

Goldsmith is also proposing a new public holiday to celebrate “Britishness” along the lines of Australia Day…now this I’m all for.

We may no longer be number one in the pecking order but by fuck as far as I’m concerned we still are and always will be

I pledge allegiance to the fags
Of the United Kingdom of Great Britain And Northern Ireland,
And to the public houses for which it stands
Four nations, under the weather,
Fairly risible,
With chicken tikka masala for all.

No, no, no!!

Chicken Rogan Josh for all…with Pilau Rice and 2 nan bread.

And watch it sonny or you’ll be the first against the wall :smiley:

I have reservations about pledging loyalty to a person who got their position by reason of birth. I would happily pledge loyalty to the country, but I’m in no way a royalist.

My nationality is also an accident of birth - why should I pledge loyalty to the place?

I’d pledge an oath to the communities in which I live.

Except I think pledges are nonsense, as all they are are spoken words, and most people are to an extent insincere, even though they don’t acknowledge it.

No time to post any thoughts now, how about some context.

Modern Britain

National identity? For me it should just amount to a pledge to contribute to society, and not plan ways of living out your entire life on the take - along those lines anyway

Exactly - actions speak louder than words. Pledges are nonsense - if you care enough to make the pledge, you don’t need to make the pledge, if you don’t care enough, the pledge is just hot air.

Pledges are ridiculous IMO. I just don’t see the point. What is it actually trying to achieve? Low level indoctrination is the worst case, a pointless exercise is the best.

It’s a terrible idea and one that thankfully is so blatantly obviously stupid that even Parliament would never vote it in.

Its also, somewhat ironically, hideously un-British.

Like these lovely chaps:

Sure, a pledge’ll cure that.

This made me double-take…

I wonder what generation of immigrant you have to be before you can complain about them dirty foreigners? I’m the son of an immigrant, can I complain or would that priviledge fall on my future children and grandchildren?

You can make fifty thousand bucks a year doing field work in England? Holy crap, dude, our Mexican migrant workers are getting ripped the hell off!

That’s what I’m saying, Zsofia. My husband made that after a year out of college. I make half that, still. Of course, differences in cost of living, etc, etc. Still, didn’t anyone ever tell them that there are poor people in backwards places like America who’d be happy to have that?

They could always take a cue from us Americans and just show up and start complaining about the natives. Then start complaining about the other foreigners who show up later. Works like a charm.

Yes, but your fifty thousand bucks buys a lot less there than here. Prices are generally 1 pound: 1 dollar.

When I moved to the States (from Britain) the Pledge of Allegiance scared the shit out of me; every student in my 2nd-period class standing up and facing the flag and mumbling something I didn’t really understand. It got twice as scary once I got someone to explain what the words were.

Reminded me of children in Chinese schools pledging their loyalty to the Party and State. Very bizarre.

Anyway, what’s the point? British schoolchildren will have “improved” on it probably within 24 hours of the official version being released.

While shepherds washed their socks by night
All watching BBC
The Angel of the Lord came down
and switched to ITV…

Good plan, but it’s hard to tell who the Celts are these days. Hardly anyone speaks Welsh or Lallans or even Gaelic…

Of course, when you become an English citizen, if you weren’t already, you have to take a pledge. At least I did. I can’t remember for the life of me what was in it, though – I think I pledged in the Queen’s name not to be a naughty boy, but with fancier language.

Probably something like this:

First part is the oath, second part is the pledge.

You know, you’re absolutely right – that’s exactly what I pledged to. Good to have the reminder, especially since I was thinking of blowing up Parliament with 36 barrels of gunpowder!

Well, it just says you have to bear true allegiance to the Queen. Doesn’t say anything about not blowing her or her ministers up.

You’re obviously not a real Englishman though. 36 barrels of gunpowder? Thirty-six? Whoever heard of such a thing?