Unbreakable sports records (long)

After reading Watsonwil’s Hall of Fame thread I got to thinking about other sports matters. Specifically, what records will never be broken?

A search turned up a thread on baseball records, but there doesn’t appear to be one on other sports.

So, here’s MHO:

Football:

Jerry Rice’s career receiving yds and TDs (I think his receptions record is doable simply because receivers get more receptions with west coast-type offenses)

Reggie White’s career sacks (or Bruce Smith’s, if he stays around long enough) - Sacks are down due to numerous rule changes

Mark Gasteinau’s 24 (22?) sacks in a season

Emmitt Smith’s career rushing yds (assuming he gets it)and TDs.

Paul Hornung’s 176 pts in a season

Dan Marino’s 42something passing TDs

Ron Dayne’s all-time Div 1A rushing record (will another back stay all 4 years?)
Basketball:

Wilt’s 100 pts in a game

Wilt’s 55 rebounds in a game (might be more incredible than his 100 pts)

Wilt’s season of 50.2 (IIRC) ppg

Chicago’s 72 wins in a season

The Boston Celtics 8-peat

Pete Maravich’s collegiate record of 44 ppg for a career (even more amazing when you consider there wasn’t a 3 pt shot)

UCLA’s 8-peat
Hockey:

Most of Gretzky’s records (season and career goals, assists, and points)

The record for consecutive starts by a goaltender (can’t remember his name, but it was over 6 consecutive seasons worth of games)

Any others (or any of these you disagree with?)

I believe it was 48 passing TDs. Kurt Warner threw 41 in his first year as a starter, and the Rams coach Martz, just this passed Sunday called a passing play on 4th and inches from the goal line. If that kind of play-calling keeps up, I think Warner may have a shot at it, but 48 is a hell of a lot.

Ty Cobb winning 12 batting titles (including nine in a row).

Tiger Woods winning three consecutive amateur championships.

Mark Spitz winning seven gold medals in a single Olympics.

I think this could be broken. A kicker would have to kick three field goals a game and convert two touchdows a game to TIE this record; that’s hard, but certainly quite doable.

  1. One of the great fluke stats of all time. Kurt Warner came close, though. It COULD be beaten, but it has a good chance of standing forever.

I think this is the most unbreakable record there is. Professional psorts leagues today would not allow a team to win eight straight championships; the guards for competitive balance are just too strong.
Hockey:

Some baseball records:

Owen Wilson’s 36 triples in a season. One of the greatest flukes in sports history. Nobody has ever approached it.

Basically any pitching record for a season set prior to 1920. The standards of the game were just different then, especially in terms of the amount they pitched. Jack Chesbro won 41 games in a season; these days pitchers don’t even start that many games.

I remember reading in a rather recent trivia book by Joel Achenbach (I think it was either him or David Feldman) about all the reasons why Roger Maris’ home run record would never be beaten. He went into some real detail. I guess he’s eating those words now.

Cal Ripken can rest assured that unless the number of games in a season is drastically increased, no one can possibly approach his streak of 2632 consecutive games for at least a dozen years or so.

I think all of the football records you mentioned will be broken in my liftime.

Jerry Rice’s recods will most certainly be broken. It will basically come down to longevity. Players are getting stronger, and I suspect careers are getting longer. Not to mention he was the first great, durable receiever of the passing era.

Ditto Walter Payton’s record, whether Emmitt Breaks it or not. It will be broken some day.

Of the ones listed, I’d say that Hornung’s is the least likely to fall. Hornung did it playing multiple positions, no one will likely be doing that anytime again soon. Like RickJay said however, a kicker could concievably do it on an excellent offensive team.

The answer to these questions are almost always going to be answered with records that are reflected by the style of the game, and how it has changed. Baseball is the best example. Pitchers like Randy Johnson and Roger Clemons are probably more dominating than any of the pitchers who played before 1920, but they will never even come close to alot of their records. Pitchers would start twice as many games as they do now, and thee was virtually no such thing as the bullpen. These records will definately never be broken. Cumulative records like career wins, starts, innings will not even be approached, nor will most of the single-season versions of those stats.

Ditto most of those NBA stats. Wilt’s stats are impressive, but had any of us watched the game, we’d probably realize its not quite as amazing as it sounds. According to the stories of people who are ‘in the know’, it was basically him being much taller than anyone else on the floor, running down the court, and alley-ooping every shot. Eventually the defense stopped playing him, presumably enjoying the idea of the magic “100” record as well. They basically added the offensive goal-tending and 3-second rule to prevent this. Not to say it isn’t a very impressive mark, but the reason its probably untouchable is because they changed the rules to prevent it, not because he is that much better than anyone who would follow him.

Pistol Pete’s might be matched, but not at a major school. He basically never passed the ball, you might be able to get away with this at a small school these days. Anyone good enough to dominate small college players like this probably wouldn’t be playing there however. I’m not going to put this in the “unbreakable” category, but its probably slim.

I think UCLA’s record could be broken, I can envision a program getting that good at recruiting. Those things tend to be self-feeding. A big help would be if the NBA or NCAA institutes some kind of incentive to keep players there at least 3 years like they’ve discussed on the talk shows. Its definately more likely than the Celtic’s record IMHO. Free Agency and Salary Caps will probably garuntee that that record won’t fall. Ring it up as another “rules have changed” record.

The Bulls record will probably be around for a long long time, but I don’t quite think its unbreakable. Pretty close though. It, however, is still too new to really make much judgement on.

I’m not a regular Hockey observer, but the margin by which Gretzky leads in those categories tends to make them seem unbreakable. I’m not knowledgable enough about the game to say if the game has changed to make those records totally unbreakable, but the odds are good that it’ll stand for a very long time. Especially the career marks.

Records I might add for discussion:

NFL:
Jim Marshall’s 292 consecutive games

MLB:
Cy Young’s 511 Career wins
Old Hoss Radbourn’s 59 wins in a season
And any number of other old pitching records.
Cal Ripken’s record.

Not sure about Cal’s record though. It’s thought to be a obsolete record. Still impressive, but several baseball men believe that a player simply performs better when they have some rest during the season. One wonders if Cal would have had .015 more point on his BA and a few extra HRs and RBIs if he’d have taken a few days off each season. If this is the case, you can bet that no manager is going to let a player even get close to this record if he thinks a days rest in game 52 of his second season would benefit the team with a player legging out a hit in a wildcard chase. Longevity records are always probably breakable, especially with the improved medical technology and care, but it depends if they really have any meaningful benefit to the team.

Cy Young’s record for wins and losses. 510 wins and 316 losses.

Cy Young’s record for complete games in a career (750, IIRC) will probably never be broken, given the nature of modern pitching (longer rotations, middle relief, closers, etc).

Joe DiMaggio’s 56-game hitting streak will be difficult if not impossible to break. I think the closest since 1941 has been Pete Rose, who hit safely in 44 games in 1978.

And just MHO, but I think that when Tiger Woods is finally done, there will be a lot of golf records that will be around for a long, long time.

I looked up a list of NFL scoring leaders, and I’d have to say that Hornung’s record is very breakable. Gary Anderson scored 164 points just three years ago, so he was four field goals and a PAT from breaking it. Significantly, Anderson’s field goal total was not the highest in recent years; Mark Moseley and Jeff Wilkins have both kicked more in the last 20 years. Clearly, on an excellent offensive team, a kicker could get 177 points.

Other records I believe are quite breakable are Cal Ripken’s and Jim Marshall’s records for consecutive games - actually, ANY record for longetivity. Basically, all you need is determination and luck. Unlike stats like Wilt’s 100 points or Jack Chesbro’s 41 wins, those records aren’t made unbreakable by rules changes or changes in the naure of the sport itself. If you’re a good enough player to play, stay healthy and stay in the lineup long enough that your manager/coach keeps you in there to keep the streak going, you can break it. People said Lou Gehrig’s record would never be broken, too.

Not a sport that looms large in American conscious but, in
cricket, Don Bradman’s (Australia) career batting average of 99.94.

The second highest average is Graeme Pollock (South Africa) with 60.97.

The highest career average amonsgst current players is Sachin Tendulkar (India) with 57.18.

DiMaggio’s 56 game hitting streak.

I saw an article once (sorry memory only no cite) that compared great sportsmen’s achievements on a bell curve, and on this basis it was Don Bradman (the cricketer mentioned above) who stood out as furthest ahead in his field, as mentioned he is nearly twice as good as any modern competitor (an average of 50 makes you a “great”, his is 100).

Another that may possibly be matched but will surely never be exeeeded is Steve Redgrave’s (GB Rower) five olympic gold medals, in five separate olympics.

Marciano’s 49/0 is going to take some beating too, although Tyson got close.

I have a very vague memory of reading this somewhere, but didn’t Don Bradman go into the final match of his career needing a single hit (run? some kind of cricket thingy) to finish with a career average of +100 and get shut out?

That would be Glenn Hall. He played in an incredible 502 consecutive games. That will never be touched. For that matter, I doubt that Doug Jarvis’ record of 964 consecutive games will be matched.

Yes that’s exactly right. His actual average is 99.94. He was bowled by Eric Hollies. It was later claimed that he couldn’t see the ball as he had tears in his eyes. Bless.

The above relates to Don Bradman of course.

Rogers Hornsby hittting .424 over a single season. The home run record is meaningless anymore, but no one’s hit even .400 since 1941. Heck, I think George Brett and Tony Gwynn were the only guys to reach even the high .390s.

Byron Nelson winning 11 PGA tour events in a row. And it wasn’t 11 events in a row he played in (like Tiger’s longest streak). It was 11 in a row.

The Philadelphia Flyers unbeaten streak in 1979-80. 35 games in a row without a loss. With expansion and travel and four games in five nights, will never be broken.

Good claims so far. I had forgotten about Hornsby’s .424. That sucker is untouchable unless they start playing slo-pitch softball. I know nothing about cricket, but I recall hearing about Bradman now that you mention him, woolly. That one appears pretty safe too.
Re: Marino’s TD passing record. I was referring to his 408 (I later found out) career TDs. The next closest is Tarkenton with 342 and Elway with 300. I think that one is pretty safe.

Now that it is mentioned, his 48 in a season is safe, but I don’t think untouchable. As you said Crunchy, Warner had 41. With teams passing on the 1 yd line, this one would seem ripe, but no one has ever really gotten that close to it.

Rod Laver’s two Grand Slams. I really can’t see this feat ever being duplicated.