Under what circumstances should a cop shooting someone be justified?

Because kicking out all the whites wouldn’t fix systemic racism

But it certainly would fix systemic racism in the police force … In fact, this may be the only method to prove once and for all if the racism IS systemic …

Fun ‘’‘fact’‘’ Jews in no way assisted the Nazis in the death camps . . . or did they???

IMHO his post is solid. Whether it’s justified that the cop has a gun drawn on you is not going to be solved then. Obey now, sue later.

Why did you falsely restate what I said? Do you find it easier to argue with yourself?

Actually that’s not even close. A racist system behaves in a racist manner when the participants follow the rules. Doesn’t matter who the participants are. That is why nobody is running with this fake scenario that you personally invented for your arguing convenience.

You mean like there were no French who collaborated with the Nazis?

Correct. Schools and businesses integrated. Many of the white residents who could withdraw from public school or migrate to white-only communities did so. Residential areas became even more segregated. Public schools are now more segregated than they were after the Brown ruling (according to WaPo. You might want to familiarize yourself with the term “white flight”.

But don’t let me stop you, you were about to make a point?

Uh, I didn’t. Clearly I said it.
I think that would be a good experiment personally. Can we guess at what would possibly change?

What rules? Now the rules are racist and NOT the cops? First you argue that white flight is because white people cannot possibly peacefully coexist, when in fact there are probably a multitude of reasons for getting out of inner cities. But according to you, among others, it’s all racist.

You certainly phrased it as if I said it. But let’s come back to that.

I find your proposed experiment to be dumb and will not participate. You knock yourself out, though, it should be entertaining.

Okay… this is going to require you to hold two ideas in your head simultaneously, but we have a system of policing that causes racist outcomes, AND ALSO there are a lot of racists in it. Hard to imagine that racists would show up to work at a racist job, but it’s a crazy crazy world.

Was this supposed to be “first you said this, then you contradicted yourself?” It seems like that fell apart at the end.

I’d really appreciate it if you don’t restate my words. It doesn’t seem like you grasp the material enough to restate it, so feel free to just copy/paste and ask “what does this mean I don’t understand”.

Phrase this how you need to do in order for me to understand then. Why are they more segregated?

I provided a link to a Washington Post article titled “Public schools more segregated now than 40 years ago.” It is in the link you provided. Here it is again.

It’s a well-sourced article and should answer any questions you have. If you find anything in there weird or false, feel free to bring those questions back here.

But I wasn’t asking what the Washington Post thought, I was asking what you thought. If you whole heartedly agree with the Wash Post then I’ll read and make argument based upon that.

Why are they more segregated?

What, you want me to narrate the article for you? Not my job, chief.

This was already a hijack. If you’re not going to read, then we’re done here.

I read it, it doesn’t address the why. It supposes some things in that regard but no real proof of “white flight” as its racial name might imply.

Educational flight or economic flight might be a better term.

The present is always tied to the past. This country was founded as a race-based caste system which has included slavery, white terrorism, separate but ‘equal’, red lining, and police brutality, among other things.

White flight is educational and economic flight only insofar as whites were uninterested in repairing the damage their political system inflicted upon black and brown people.

Asahi, I do follow but if that is the case then everything for the past 200 hundred years can be levied against the white folks for “racism”

I disagree with that theory. There have been gains made , there have been laws that changed the racist landscape. There is AA, there is increased funding in poor schools (that also happen to have a high black population), there have been lots of change.

What there hasn’t been to follow those changes are the growth and development of the black population, I am interested in the whys.

If those things didn’t go far enough, if more of something is needed, I am listening, but as soon as someone just says because racism, they lose me, and likely lose a lot of people who were previous willing to help.

What I want to see is that the help given to the people the help is directed at, reach out and take hold of said help and pull their way out, like plenty of people have done.

And yes, I guess that makes me a bootstraps guy and the negative connotations that it means here but I want skins to be in the game. This shit isn’t just going to get done FOR you, it’ll get done WITH you.

This is stated without cites. It’s the kind of thing Rush Limbaugh says, without cites. It also implies that members of “the black population” are somehow immature or otherwise inferior, and thus need “growth and development” in order to be normal, positive, or otherwise acceptable. If you don’t believe that “the black population” is somehow immature or otherwise inferior, then why do they need “growth and development”?

Jesus Fucking Christ, I am not doing this with you iiandyiii.

Growth and development as individuals, I could give 2 shits about fighting with you about whether they are normal, or positive or otherwise acceptable. They are people, people can have growth and development.

Then why are you singling this group of millions out as somehow needing growth and development? And if you don’t think they need any more than any other group, then why even bring it up?