understanding watts and alt energy

When daydreaming of nice things like turbines run by joggers at the gym, windmills and hydropower, I always run up against two problems: (1) what’s a megawatt or gigawatt able to do? (in terms of household useage in various economies, etc.) and (2) how much will the cost of constructing and maintaining the devices subtract from the benefits? (I guess that depends on the time frame for spreading out the intial cost?)

Seems like I can think through the basics of the econ but the wattage and cost reasons for not having these sources online now trip me up. : ) Thanks for any insight.

A megawatt is a million watts or 1000 Kw.

So in one hour, that is a ‘1000 kilowatt hour’ of electricity.

I have an average sized house - 2500-3000 sq ft. In one summer month (with the AC on) I use about 1800Kw/hrs.

So if you could store electricity, a one megawatt generator would provide enough electricity for my house, for a month in slightly less than 2 hours.

My house uses about 370 kila watt hours a month. This is just my wife and myself no AC. That is an average power of 513 Watts. So guess on average a family home uses between 500 and 2000 watts on average. A mega watt will power between 500 and 2000 homes.

1 horsepower is about 750 watts (745.699872). A really fit person on a bike can do about 1/3 of a horse power or about 250 watts. In general I can’t imagine recovering more than 50% of that in a useful manor so you are talking about 4 to 16 fit guys pedaling like mad to power a house.

It looks like MrFloppy uses on average 2500 watts so he needs 20 guys pedaling 24/7 to power his house.

Yup! Blame it on my wife. It seems the clothes dryer runs continuously. We have gas heat and water.

Sorry, but 500 to 2000 watts per household per what?

Per hour.

500 watts x 24 hours x 30 days = 360,000 watts/month or 360kw on a monthly bill.

This is a pretty important point when comparing energy sources, especially your parenthetical. Some sources are hardly economical at all given their useful lifetime. This has been largely true of solar power, for example. You also have maintenence costs to consider - which will vary with the generation method.

The third part (which you didn’t mention) is transmission and distribution. You need to have a way to get the power from where it’s generated to where it’s used. With something like pedal power, you couldn’t just hook up the generators to the grid unless you have everyone going at the exact same rate. Other sources of energy (wind, tidal) may need to be located farther away from where it’s used. It’s likely that a highly effecient energy storage method (massive fuel cells, maybe) will become an important part of the power grid in the future.
This doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be pushing for alternative energy. Without initial testing and investment in PV solar, we wouldn’t see any improvement in efficiency to the point where it becomes useful. I don’t think pure economics should be the only consideration, either (even taking into account ‘green accounting’, there are benefits of not messing up the environment).

This is not correct. The average power for my house is 513 watts. When you pay for electricity you pay for watts * hours it is usually listed as KWhr. Watts are power. Kila watt hours are energy.

There is no per what. It takes on average 500 to 2000 or 3000 watts to power a house. Power is energy per time.

People get confused because you pay per KW/hr. As in .07 per kw/hr. So, a 2000 watt average useage would cost the household .14 per hour or $3.36 per day or $100.80 per month.

No, no, no!

A watt (W) is a joule per second (J/s).

Joules are a unit of energy.

Watts are a unit of power. Power units include time in them as a matter of course.

You pay your bill not according to the rate at which you are using electricity (power), but by how much energy you use in a given time period. To confuse the issue, the power company bills you not in joules, but in kW-hours. That’s a power unit multiplied by a time unit, so kW-hours are a unit of energy.

If your house is using 500 watts, that’s an instantaneous unit. It’s the rate that your house is using energy.

If your house uses 500 watts continuously for 30 days, the energy that you have used is (500 W) x (30 days) x (24 hours/day) x (1 kW/1000 W) = 360 kW-hr.

No, you pay by the kW-hour (kilowatt x hour), not by the kW/hr (kilowatt per hour).

A kW/hr is a meaningless unit.

It is probably just a typo but it seems to be confusing people you pay per KW*hr not KW/hr.

I see that gazpacho and I are both simulposting the same things. :slight_smile:

Yes. The way I remember it is, watts are actually a measure of power, of rate of energy usage. Here, power is energy per unit time (it can be defind in other ways as well).

Thus, when the news says something like, “Ontario peaked at an electricity use of 26 gigawatts today, and we didn’t have a single network failure!”, that means the province was using electricity at a rate of 26 GW.

The actual SI unit for quantity of energy is the joule, but most people are used to seeing quantitiers of energy expressed in kilowatt-hours from their electricity bills.

One watt is one joule per second. Iif you extend this rate of usage for a period of time, you end up with a quantity of energy again: the total quantity of enegy used (or transmitted or whatever) during the period of time.

The wattage tells you the rate of energy usage; multiply the wattage by the time the devices are on to figure out how much energy was used. Thus if you use a 1000-watt hair dryer for five minutes, you have used:

1000 W x 5 minutes = 1000 J/s x 5 min = 1000 J/s x 300 s = 300 000 J.

If you use energy at a rate of 1 kW for 1 hour, you use 1 kilowatt-hour:

1 kW·h = 1000 W x 1 h = 1000 J/sx 1 h = 1000 J/s x 3600 s = 3 600 000 J = 3.6 MJ (megajoules).

Typical wattage ratings (rates of energy usage) can be measured for various electrical devices around the home. I bought an “energy meter” at Canadian Tire for $25: you plug it into the wall and plug something into it and it measures peak and average wattage (among other things), and totals this over time to show you how much energy was used.

My hair dryer draws 800 W, my mixer draws 400 W, but I only use them for 5 minutes at a time. My computer draws around 200 W, and it’s on for hours at a time. My monitor draws 135 watts, and it’s on for hours at a time too. Then there are things like lamps (9W, 14W), and there are small devices like my cable modem and cable phone gateway, which are on all the time (and probably shouldn’t be).

I happen to have my hydro bill here (I was calling Toronto Hydro Electric System to ask them why they billed me for four times my usual electricity usage, but that’s another story…)

It says that, in the last three months, I used 1348 kW·h of electricity. This is a quantity of energy, and could be expressed as 4.8528 gigajoules.

They also derive a daily rate of energy usage, which is expressed as a bar graph; it looks like about “20”. They express this in kW·h/day! Surely it could be expressed in watts? Then I can compare it to the measured wattage used by various appliances. (I saw the bill and wondered whether something had gone wrong with my fridge or something…)

So… 20 kW·h/day = 20 x 3.6 MJ/day = 72 MJ/day = 72 000 000 J/day = 72 000 000 J / 88400 s = 833 J/s = 833 W.

An average continuous usage of 833 watts. In the previous eight billing periods, my average usage had been around 7 kW·h/day, or 292 W.

Looks like I am too. :slight_smile:

Yes, it was a simple typo. I do know the difference between kilowatts and kilowatt-hours. :slight_smile:

I know, that’s why I said per kw/hr and not per kw per hr. That pesky / was just to seperate the two abbreviations. :wink:

To further elaborate on this: A power plant (whether coal, nuclear, tidal, or hamster-wheel) will have some rating in watts (or megawatts, or gigawatts, etc.). So, let’s say that a particular sort of generator could give you 1 megawatt. That’s 1,000,000 watts, so that generator would be enough to supply the energy needs of 500 to 2000 houses (1,000,000 watts divided by 2000 watts per house is 500 houses, and 1,000,000 watts divided by 500 watts per house) is 2000 houses. So if you have a city of a million houses, and a particular alternate energy source could supply one megawatt to that city, that’s not going to help much (only about a tenth of a percent of the city’s needs).