In the TV movie adaptation of *The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything * there’s a scene where they get even with the female villain by throwing her naked into a van full of sailors. The next scene shows her walking onto a ship wearing a sailor’s uniform. I doubt they’d do that now.
I know of two girls who like to eat shit out of a cup. However, if I were writing a book or movie script and I wanted to best represent the emotions, attitudes, and desires of the average woman, I think I’d avoid giving her fantasies of rape or a positive reception toward sexual harassment. But that’s just me.
Not just you… I think that’s a pretty reasonable assessment.
There actually have been societies like that. Slave women, particularly, were lent out in past societies but there are examples of “free” women being “loaned” to visiting men as a sign of hospitality, prostitues of one stripe or another being offered/available, and probably a lot of examples of foreign men misinterpreting situations and essentially raping women they thought were available.
As one example, Matthew Henson was an arctic explorer who had a “country wife” or concubine among the Inuit, who had a son by him and his only descendants are Inuit. I don’t think there was any coercion in that case, but it can be hard to say at such a remove in time.
Really, this ties into things like prostitution and concubinage.
I am willing to bet that many women in to rape fantasy would not want to experience actual rape.
Right. Also there’s so much of it and it’s such a big topic that it could easily dominate the thread, when it’s really the quirky little things that are more interesting.
In the GURPS Lensman game supplement, they retconned that the lack of electronic computers was because of the Arisians were trying to guide the younger races to great mental feats. If electronic computers were available, people would use them instead of using their own brains and they’d never develop the psychic powers the Arisians wanted, so the Arisians made sure the transistor was never discovered.
Larry Niven has a story (written in the 60s or 70s, I think) where there was a long term expedition to Mars that was all or mostly male, and people were shocked that some of the crew members had resorted to homosexuality. What surprised me was not that there was disapproval of people being gay, which was still common when the book was written, but that people found the idea that dudes stuck in a tin can with just dudes might at least fool around together to be a complete surprise. As shortly after that as the 80s I would expect people talking about the mission to joke around about how the guys stuck in there would get friendly with each other, even if the actual fooling around would be a scandal.
I don’t think Nixon was going after the drugs in the larger scheme of things. The people who used them were his political enemies and they were the targets.
Speaking of Martian sexytime, even if she is the last woman on the planet, the rule is still No Fat Chicks.
I recall that Marco Polo’s writings included at least one description of a society with something along these lines–pretty much any woman of the village, whether partnered or not, would happily exchange sex for things of value, and their male partners were just fine with it. I don’t know whether his writings are considered completely reliable.
Robert B. Parker basically wrote the same Spenser book 40 times over a 40 year period. Taken as a whole it’s like one bizarre work of art with the characters and stories basically staying the same and a fun house mirror version of current events changing around them.
When I was about six years old or so, my parents put me on a plane, by myself, to visit my grandmother in North Carolina. Mom handed me off to a stewardess - this is long enough ago that they were still called “stewardesses” - and she kept an eye on me during the flight. Brought me a set of wings, and took me up to the cockpit to meet the pilots. At the airport, an airline hostess met me at the gate and escorted me to my grandmother. This was in the early 70’s; I can’t imagine that happening today.
Good lord, I remember that TV movie. There was a scene where the hero stopped time - the power of the eponymous gold watch - and untied a woman’s bikini top while she was playing beach volleyball. Sexual assault was just a funny little prank, then.
Sounds like the mutineers from the Bounty, who claimed that Tahitian girls preferred them to the native men, finding them more vigorous and satisfying lovers. Sure they did, buddy. :dubious:
That’s from the book.
This is “How the Heroes Die” Variety SF: Larry Niven's "How the Heroes Die": Troubles of an all-male expedition to Mars
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In Gregory McDonald’s Flynn , from the late 1970s, Inspector Flynn is looking into a killing - he sends his 15-year old twin sons to investigate a couple of groups that might be involved. One spends the time following a homeless preacher, while the other gets involved in a hippie sex ring. When they get home it’s just a dose of penicillin for one of them and back to parochial school for both.
That reminds me–would a movie use the ''gladiator movies" joke today?
It’s been more than a decade, but I’m pretty sure that unaccompanied minors can still fly -
Googling - - Delta has a program for 5 to 14. So does United.
Looks like most airlines will accept unaccompanied minors, but that the details vary. The younger the child (and no children under 5), the more likely they can only fly on a nonstop flight.
On the other hand, if you wanted to understand why women have rape fantasies, you’d ask the women who have rape fantasies, rather than going with your own opinion. And if you wanted to sell books to women, you’d sell books that women wanted to buy, rather than books that represented the average woman.
Look: I don’t have much contact with women, as a group, anymore. I have no particular idea what women want now. I dropped in to respond to the question of how, 50 years ago, authors had got the idea that women liked cat calls. My response? They got that idea because women told them so.
Huh. Would not have expected that. I wonder how many parents avail themselves of such a service?
Or the “I speak jive” joke, or the gag where the singing nun knocks the IV out of the sick little girl’s arm, and she goes into a seizure. Of course, those jokes were supposed to be transgressive at the time, as well. The sight gag with the queue of people lined up, with weapons, to “slap some sense” into the woman having hysterics, though, was I think solely about subverting a trope.
I had the exact same experience in the mid 90s when I was 10 years old and flew to Hawai’i by myself to meet my older brother and his new wife. I even had a layover at LAX that I spend in an airline daycare type room with other unaccompanied minors.
Robert Silverberg wrote a story in the 50s, “Eve and the 23 Adams,” where every spaceship had a “crew girl” – basically, a ship’s prostitute – because if men went without sex they grew tense and make mistakes.
Bad enough, but in the story, the girl isn’t a hooker, but rather the fiancee of the son of the narrator, who signed on without knowing what the job actually was. She refuses (after takeoff, of course), so they end up drugging her and raping her in her sleep so she doesn’t know what happens. She meets up with her fiance thinking that nothing has happened, though the narrator, at least shows some remorse by drinking himself in a stupor the entire flight.
This was during Silverberg’s hack phase, before he became a major writer. I notice it hasn’t been reprinted in the US since 1969, so I would think he had second thoughts.
Back on to the ‘small but unexpected differences’ line - I’m just reading Prince Caspian this week with my son, and I’m amused to note that among the differences between the Good Dwarf (Trumpkin) who stays loyal to Caspian and the Bad Dwarf (Nikabrik) who ultimately turns evil and throws in his lot with werewolves and witches is that … Nikabrik is Not A Smoker.
Clearly a wrong 'un!