Yup, Catherine C. Mayo now that is a Middle Eastern name if ever I heard one.
DTC never has to go to a gym, he gets plenty of exercise jumping to conclusions.
(and back again for that matter)
:rolleyes:
Have you ever been wrong about anything? None of us had all of the information in the beginning but only you and that doofus Bosda jumped to the racist conclusion that an Arabic person was involved. So far there has been no evidence that she was mistaken for being an Arab. How are you going to wiggle out of that one tomorrow? If it ends up that she was definitely not mistaked for an Arab will you then admit that you were mistaken?
Sure.
Let’s see what CNN says the nice people in court had to say about it.
From: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/flight.diverted.ap/index.html
Her attorney declined to say that she was a Muslim who had been beaten for being a Muslim (as was asserted in Post #3 of this thread)…
But what really happened was, people thought she looked Middle Eastern and decided to jump to conclusions, right?
Yeah…if that’s all true, there’s no reason at all anyone would ever think she might be connected to Al Queda…it must have been because she was a person of Middle Eastern descent who looked like one of them thar’ darkie Islamamuslims, right? :rolleyes: Oh wait, that wasn’t it at all…of course, some can claim that this doesn’t prove anything, we can never tell just how deep the inherent racism and hatred of other cultures is in every American living under the Bush Junta…and that the entirety of the above was made up or fabricated by people to cover their butts.
The reality as I see it is she wasn’t a terrorist, she was more likely a stoned out of her fucking gourd leftover flower child who dropped a huge hit of acid and heard Big Bird and Puff the Magic Dragon tell her to fight the Great Satan in Clouds of Sulfur by disrupting the flight. Of course, I can’t prove that, as Big Bird has taken the Fifth and Puff is missing, presumed hidden away in a terror cell somewhere near the top of the Chrysler building making anthrax spores to unleash on Gotham. Whatever the case, I hope she, Big Bird, and Puff all have fun in a different type of cell for a long time.
So now they’re changing the story again and saying she WAS talking about al Qaeda (or alluding to it, at least)? If that’s the case then it makes more sense. I was operating under the assumption that she had NOT said anything about aQ and that others on the plane had fabricated the “notes” about it from their own fevered imaginations. Yesterday the airline DENIED that there had been any note about aQ, so my whole line of thought was based on trying to figure out how we got from “lady having a panic attack” or even “crazy lady peeing on the floor” to “al Qaeda terrorist?” The only thing that made any sense to me was that she must have been Muslim or Middle Eastern or at least APPEARED to be one or both of those things. Now they’re saying she DID say that stuff, so my suspicions have been mooted but not really refuted. The circumstances which led to my suspicions were not represented correctly.
The thing that somewhat irks me is I read earlier today a report that to calm her down, the flight crew offered her a seat in First Class…oh wait, here it is.
From: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/17/us/17plane.html?ref=europe
Holy dogshit, that’s about an $8000 seat. If that’s what it takes to get upgraded now, I’m going to start doing all sorts of heavy drugs before each flight. I’ll see sounds and hear colours with the best of them. Or maybe I’ll skip the drugs and claim to be part of a cult. I’ll say I represent the Rosicrucian Riders of the Golden Dawn and I’m on board to “cleanse the plane” of nonbelievers - that might get me a one-year lounge pass! With complementary travel kit and honey roasted peanuts…
[sub]Yes, I know they likely wanted her in First so they could watch her better, or maybe so she would have more space and calm down, but still…[/sub]
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
Incorrect.
Ms. Brown was not the woman causing the problem.
If you read your link, you’ll see that “Carolyn Brown, 54, of Grafton, Ill.” was the crazy woman’s seatmate.
Una, They offered the seat in first class to the lady who was sitting next to the passeger who was acting out.
Dio, you are missing my point. All of us heard the same set of circumstances and you chose to leap to the conclusion that race was a factor. Not a goddamed thing has been mooted. I didn’t assume that she was Middle Eastern, most of the rest of us in this thread didn’t assume that and her fellow passengers didn’t assume that. Only you and Bosda assumed that. This says a lot more about you than it does about Americans in general.
Admit you were mistaken, for the love of all that’s holy, it will only sting for a bit.
I wasn’t mistaken, the reports were. I still think I’m right that a freaking-out white lady who WASN’T already talking about al Qaeda (as the airline was saying yesterday) would not be likely to be thought a terrorist. I still think that if a hypothetical scenario existed as it was presented yesterday – that a lady was having a panic attack without saying anything about al Qaeda or terrorism – and people started falsely assuming she was a terrorost, that some other factor would have to be in play for them to make that leap. Perceived ethnicity was the only explanation that made sense to me. Now we’re finding out that an element we were told yesterday was missing was actually present, so that removes the entire basis for my suspicion. I haven’t been proven wrong, I was just operating with false information. If that information had been accurate, I still think my suspicions would have been reasonable.
They only give pretzels now. Security reasons.
Jesus Christ Xtisme, are you lazy or something? Such a cite is childishly easy to produce. I direct you here. Do your damn homework before poping off, will ya?
You’re correct - I was completely and totally mistaken about which passenger was offered First Class seating. I must have misread it not once but at least twice. So what I need to do then is make my seatmate go insane instead…
Great. First it was Muslims, now you’re bringing Catholics into it. :dubious: 
You take the fucking cake, dude. If it isn’t too much trouble, would you mind responding to all of my last post?
Slightly off-topic, but I think, having read the account posted by Una Persson, that it is safe to say that this was some manifestation of psychopathology other than merely a “panic attack.”
Una, that last line in my post that you quoted was not directed at you. You made an honest mistake and I was just pointing it out.
what, that everybody else saw the same facts and didn’t have the same suspicions? So what?
I think hajario is doing a fine job of pointing out that you jumped to unwarranted conclusions. Whether that is a simple misunderstanding of facts or a glimpse into the diseased mind of somebody who is so determined to cry “Racism!” in everything that happens is up to the reader to determine.
Me, I think the latter. For someone who decries reaching conclusions without all the facts, you seem to be doing it alot lately. And, oddly enough, those conclusions all seem to fit your worldview. Open your mind, dude.
:smack: Good gods, you had me worried there. I thought maybe I HAD missed something on the news that was obvious and that you were serious. 
I didn’t really bother myself researching this last night as I was totally beat after work.
Ok, let me rephrase in light of your cite.
Is there a cite from anyone who was actually on the plane or had first hand knowledge that she was either a muslim OR looked like she was from the Middle East. Beause frankly, having seen her picture, I’m not seeing it.
-XT
I agree. I have to say, though there are no facts that I know of to support it (ehe, DtC? 
) that is dropping acid speculation is at least plausable.
-XT