United healthcare CEO assassinated, the P&E edition {This is not a gun debate/statistics thread!}

Even if it wasn’t an internal promotion, a job opening for a C-suite executive at a Fortune 500 company would almost undoubtedly not involve a public posting of an open position on a job board or the company’s website; they would likely work with an external executive search/recruiting firm to identify candidates.

Presumably enhanced security now comes with the position.

Absolutely nothing. I was piously intoning.

Because I don’t want open season on CEOs or other public figures that annoy amateur assassins.

Try considering Der_Trihs’s 5-steps-down-the-line world to get a sense of the alternatives. Even the rest stops before full blow fascism are unpleasant and sap economic growth. Orban’s Hungary provides an example. Every step towards the abyss should be fought.

ETA: To be clear, letters and phone calls to Congressional Reps can matter a lot. Letters about our health care system only matter every decade or so when the political stars align and health care reform becomes a possibility. So when I say, “Absolutely nothing,” I meant that in this very narrow context. Big systemic changes in the law are difficult after all.

Why? It’s open season on everyone else. The money spent investigating this or keeping CEOs and other public figures safe would be better spent on providing healthcare to people. How much money did United Healthcare waste on keeping this man safe and living in luxury that could’ve kept keeping their customers alive and healthy?

But they didn’t keep him safe! How do we know they spent anything on security? :flushed:

Well, they will now, so expect rates to go up.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy about how indifferent I am to this man’s death. And when I say indifferent I mean just that. I’m not angry, sad, or happy about it. If the victim had been some dude on his way to work a shift at McDonald’s I’d be angry and sad, but for this guy? The best I can do is shrug. I’m keenly aware that an atmosphere where assassination or other forms are violence become the accepted norm is not an atmosphere I want to live in. I just can’t shake the feeling that thigns are going to get uglier over the next few years.

It’s really hard not to look at society and not want to dust off the guillotines. Metaphorically speaking, it’s time for that, actually past time. But nobody knows where that cycle of violence lands, how many innocent people get hurt in the crossfire. Even if I was on board with this, people who most need to be deposed are heavily, heavily armed.

This sucks. All of it sucks.

If someone wanted to take a shot at a health insurer CEO, I more than understand where they’re coming from. Yet I have a hard time holding that guy more culpable than any other white-collar worker. He’s part of a system that does certain things. It sucks in people at the bottom and exploits them, it spits out people on top who earn 500x what they do. The CEO didn’t invent that system, he can’t dismantle it, I’m sure he’s already been replaced by someone else. All we can say is he was a willing participant, but how many other thousands of his employees fit that same description? The system will bleed more money in the form of personal security details, and it will be extracted partly from the customers and workers.

I don’t like where things go if we’re just capping CEO’s in the street, but damn, something somewhere has to give.

They do seem to be pulling out stops to answer questions from the media. But , then, there is more media interest.

While it may seem obvious that they are investigating this murder with more resources than other homicides where there are a lot of clues, I do not know that. New York City has a low homicide rate, compared to other American cities, and a higher ratio of police to residents. They are going to be able to send a lot of police searching through a park for something left by the perpetrator in a way Philadelphia police perhaps cannot.

And yet, they clear maybe 25% of homicides. Sounds like there’s plenty of investigatin’ they should be doin’.

The CEO is not just some schmuck who doesn’t have a choice and can only do what they’re told or they get fired. This guy actively worked to make a shitty system worse for his customers.

New York City? 64 percent in 2022.

There are other factors than how much investigating is done that determine whether a homicide is solved. In this case, there were witnesses, and a suspect’s face was caught on video. If there are no good clues, all the investigating in the world may not help.

Re this homicide, having the army-sized NYPD did likely help.

I would expect more disinhibition over the next 6 months at all levels of society.

That’s true.

I had an appointment with my oncologist this afternoon (7 years out, I saw the NP) and she agreed that UHC is a terrible insurance to have, and deal with. I still find no more pleasure in this than I did in the assassination attempts on Trump, and I have no use for him either.

They want to make it as publicly clear as possible that while shooting up some random kids or a dance club is acceptable, shooting one of the Chosen Ones is unacceptable. This gunman killed a Real Human Being, not one of the subhumans he was exploiting.

Ehhh, the difference in the two situations is that when someone shoots up a school or a dance club, they usually stick around to either wrangle with the cops, give themselves up, or they’ve already shot themselves so a manhunt really isn’t necessary.

In this situation, he shot the one person important to him and left. Much different from a mass shooting.

Sorry if this has been addressed by the media, but on one hand they’re saying he’s a professional - or at least skilled - type hitman, yet his face is on camera and he went to Starbucks and I don’t remember what other clues he left behind. Are the authorities being punked? He seems to have left a lot of obvious clues.

As far as the killing itself, to quote Chris Rock, “I’m not saying he should have killed him… but I understand”.
I really hate feeling that way.

Since you mentioned that, one wonders how many shooting victims, mass or otherwise, had claims denied by their “insurer”, UHC.

I’ve already addressed the reason that law enforcement is pulling all the stops in this case – it’s a huge international news story. It’s just that simple. Yes, there are terrible inequalities in society, but that has nothing to do with the law enforcement efforts here.

To quote Kent Brockman after Maggie shot Mr. Burns; “Hundreds of people are shot down in the streets of Springfield every day, but until now, none of them were important.” :slight_smile:

And why is it a huge international news story? Because he was a rich white man. It’s just that simple.