That seems to be a really reasonable position to me. I’m just sick over the school bombing. How could any human be okay with this, even as an accident? It’s one reason I’m against bombing, full stop: whatever short-term goals you are achieving, the repercussions are not worth it.
And in this particular case, I don’t see any evidence that US forces have thought through the implications of their actions, much less repercussions.
It strikes me that war-mongering drunkard Hegseth and his cronies do not give a crap about ANY civilian deaths in Iran.
As long as there’s no domestic political fallout.
If that was true, the death toll would be beyond frightful.
I think it is true they will gloss over the deaths that did happen as nothing major in the face of the mission. They might use words like regrettable but probably not really care.
Exactly. American munitions just created hundreds, if not thousands, of people who now bear murderous rage towards the USA because of children killed. It’s one of many reasons why war should be absolutely the very last resort, only implemented when the alternative is undeniably much, much worse, and why it’s so infuriating that so many people are so eager to wage war and so dismissive if the terrible human cost.
The doctrine of Preemptive Retaliation is a favorite of Republican presidents.
My reading of it is that Trump and Hegseth and Rubio are deliberately flooding the zone with shit. They have zero interest in offering a consistent rationale for the war, and they have nothing but contempt for anyone who is seeking one.
It will take time for Iranian and other extremists to develop plans for retailiation, but retaliate they will. It’s hard to tell if the warmongers are just too stupid to see the long-term consequences of their actions, or if they just don’t care. But being the most hated country in the world due to reckless abuse of power carries high levels of long-term risk.
I believe Iran’s regime now HAS to retaliate in some meaningful way, it may be some horrific terrorist attack, it may be something more “civilized” like closing the Hormuz Strait for a really long period of time, or destroying Saudi Arabia oilfields, anything.
But if they don’t make clear that attacking them and killing their leader has horrific consequences they are in deep doodoo.
First they run the risk of any fear and/or respect that kept them in power being lost.
Second, if the U.S. and Israel can kill their leaders at will they will soon get Venezuela’d.
May be they can bet on the U.S. and Israel running out of ammo (predicted to happen in the coming weeks) and somehow muddling through, and perhaps the next attempt to decapitate their leadership will not go so smooth, but it’s a hell of a bad situation to be in.
I mean, they’re trying. They’ve hit oil fields, and they’ve declared that the Straits are closed, but it’s hard to close the Straits when all your warships have been sunk. Whoops!
Well, yeah, or course, the regime is in existentially deep doodoo. May their lungs soon fill with shit.
Yep! Pretty great, isn’t it!
Venezuela had one leader removed, what has happened to the IRGC already is far worse than being “Venezuela’d” and we’re just getting started.
Lol, not before Iran runs out of ammo. Just compare the industrial and economic capabilities of the three nations and that should be obvious.
Yep, gotta love to see it. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving bunch than the Ayatollah regime.
And the children! Don’t forget about the children. The audacity to try and get an education in Iran!
Retaliation by the present or some future Iranian regime is one thing. But actions taken by rogue terrorist cells are something else again. That’s just how 9/11 happened. You can’t prevent an event like that against determined terrorists just because you no longer allow box cutters on an airplane. Especially if said terrorists may have access to nuclear weapons, even if just “dirty bombs”.
If millions of Americans hate Trump with a raging passion, one can only imagine how much of the Islamic world feels about him and, by extension, about the USA.
Venezuela has become a colony of the U.S., that hasn’t happened to Iran yet.
Ships are not needed to close the strait, surface to surface missiles are enough, the mere threat of them can do it in fact.
The ammo used by Iran is orders of magnitude cheaper than the ammo used by the U.S. and Israel. Furthermore, my point was not that there would be some kind of war of materiel like Verdun in WWI but that once Israel and the U.S. run out of ammo Iran could, may be, take the chance to reorganize and “muddle through”.
Has anybody mentioned yet just how large a population Iran has? 93 million (nearly ten times that of Israel). I don’t think the US has waged war on a population that size since WWII. We are poking a huge hornet’s nest.
Military Commander Tells Troops Bombing Iran Is ‘Part Of God’s Divine Plan’
Now they are trying to sell the war as a kickstart to bring back the man himself, JC.
This is only going to go badly with people like this in charge.
This kinda thing gives me the creeps, talk about religious fanatics with nuclear weapons!
Are you at all concerned about any humanitarian crises we may be creating? It’s one thing to hate the regime, but to fire from the hip without a plan is to create a multitude of downstream effects that will only affect normal people just trying to survive. This is why we invested so much into nation building previously. Trump and Hegseth have no interest in trying to repeat the failures of the past, but they’re also not making any attempt to replace those failures with anything better. Just bombs and prayers.
So let me get this straight. Your argument is that we should not attack Iran because they kight have terrorist cells inside our coutnry waiting for the moment when the US goes against Iranian interests?
If Iran has terror cells inside America that makes me far more inclined to think we should attack and destroy the regime. Why the fuck would we tolerate someone setting up terror cells inside our country?
Can you point to where exactly wolfpup says that?
ETA: I mean the part about terrorist cells inside the country.
…I assume that this is rhetorical hyperbole and you are not actually arguing that Venezuela is a US colony?
Good thing we are hitting Iran’s missile stockpiles, mobile missile launchers, and missile manufacturing plants incredibly hard, then.
And the economies of the US and Israel are orders of magnitude more healthy than the economy of the failed terrorist state of Iran. Again, the idea that the US will run out of ammunition is laughable.
Might we run out of some specific classes of particularly new and advanced missiles? Sure. But reach the point where we can’t effectively fight Iran? Not a chance.
Yes, of course. Are you at all concerned about the preexisting humanitarian crises in Iran, in Yemen, in Gaza, in Lebanon, and so on, all caused by the Regime and their proxies?