United States and Israel are bombing Iran

So how much is this debacle going to cost the American taxpayer when all is said and done? Or does that even matter anymore?

As a non-American, I don’t buy into the “Great Satan” meme at all.
However, I do think that the US can no longer be trusted. At all. Not trusted to live up to trade treaties, or ANY treaty for that matter.

To quote Mark Carney:

This bargain (with the United States) no longer works. Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition…
Great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons, tariffs as leverage, financial infrastructure as coercion, supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

He was of course, speaking of economics here. But this also holds true now with the military… the worlds largest military by far. It cannot be trusted. This administration has made it absolutely EXPLICIT that they can and will do whatever they please, invade anyone they want and take any resources they desire. With the worlds strongest military.

The relatively peaceful times we lived in are now over. Hopefully not for good, but for a generation at least.

Many pundits disagree, they think Iran was lying. Mind you- trump was wrong also.

A mere 600 meters away from the

At the time of the strikes, the school was located approximately 600 metres (660 yd) away from the Sayyid al-Shuhada military complex which includes the headquarters of the Asif Brigade of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy.[4][12][13][14]

While the Iranian government said the missile was a US-Israeli strike, Vice Governor of Hormozgan Ahmad Nafisi said the school was struck amidst Israeli air raids on Minab.[21] The school was reportedly located near an IRGC base which had been the target of another US-Israeli airstrike the same day.

Iran International described the Minab strike as “disputed”, highlighting the use of school sites by the Iranian government. A day before the 2026 Iran conflict, The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers’ Trade Associations published an image of the school being used to store military gear, warning that classrooms were becoming “shields for deadly equipment.” On 3 March, a classroom in Tehran was used to host a press conference by the Iranian foreign ministry spokesperson Esmail Baghaei.[29]

I am not excusing this by any means, but there are some facts which are important.

Well, yeah, of course Iran was lying. And it’s not like we haven’t been saying this since the Obama era. I like the guy, I voted for him when I could first vote, but the Iran deal was always one of my biggest issues with him. Foreign policy is by far where I liked him the least, for Iran, for his lackluster response to the invasion of Crimea, etc.

As for Trump, maybe a better leader could have renegotiated a real deal after Obama, but frankly I doubt it. Obama’s mistake wasn’t not negotiating properly, it was thinking that Iran was ever operating in good faith to begin with. The problem with “revolutionary” states like Iran is that they get high on their own supply and genuinely believe in their nonsense ideologies.

So either the US fired a Tomahawk at a school because they are “satanic” as Dr. Drake seems to think, or it was because the school was right next to a naval base? Wow, how could we possibly determine which of these is true? :roll_eyes:

Wow, that’s actually incredible - that organization seems to actually be doing their job and advocating on behalf of teachers and students rather than running cover for the people using them as human shields. UNRWA should take some notes.

It’s genuinely refreshing and impressive, especially considering that whistleblowing like that in Iran is probably incredibly dangerous.

Magic 8 Ball?

I was thinking “common sense” but I know that’s in short supply. Must be the wartime rationing.

If you are not excusing it, what is the relevance of that information? I don’t think anyone thought we were targetting the school.

Either you think it’s a regrettable but acceptable error (600 m is awfully close), or you don’t.

My opinion is that it’s better not to drop bombs if you can’t get them to hit what you mean them to hit.

Oh, really? You sure? I thought this guy did:

Maybe he meant something else by “Satanic”, does that word mean “accidental” in French?

We did bomb the school while it was in session. That is a fact. We didn’t necessarily do it intentionally, but we took actions with that result, and I think that’s evil. YMMV.

Has Israel indicated what they consider their goal to be - is it regime change? Let’s presume that Trump announces after a few weeks that he’s destroyed Iran’s capacity to launch missiles, and so combat operations are over. Will Israel also cease their activities?

Will that even be possible? Iran has retaliated against multiple countries; should we expect missiles, bombs, and drones to continue? If so. I have to think Americans will be targeted.

Does that then compel Trump to remain fighting? Will some third party attack force him to commit to a longer term plan?

In trying to predict this future, all I have are questions.

I do think that Trump Is planning to end his assault in a few weeks - both because he doesn’t want to commit ground troops (the next logical step to a larger war), and because there is a practical need to pause bombing - munition supplies of his most effective weapons will run low, and the U.S. will need to re-supply.

What I am uncertain about are the plans of everybody else who is involved. Once they respond, though, I do expect that Trump’s vision for this operation to be skewed.

Moderating:

Dial back the endless snark in your responses. You employ this tactic a lot, and it raises hackles. Try to have a respectful dialogue instead.

Even a mediocre leader could have kept the deal that Obama already negotiated.

Who cares what pundits think? The deal was working, and verified to be working, by international inspectors, which were required by the deal. Obama was correct, and Trump and Netanyahu were lying about the deal.

BTW it now seems like a Kuwaiti F/A-18 shot down the 3 F-15s, not a patriot battery.

Netanyahu said this when the bombings started

So basically he’s saying that bombing them before led their regime to near collapse and now he’s hoping that the regime actually collapses between these bombings and the protests/economic crisis in Iran and then replaced by some regime that doesn’t have nuclear ambitions.

Which would have been a terrible mistake. The deal did nothing to address Iran’s missile program or it’s proxies, and it did the barest of bare minimum on the nuclear program.

More likely the IDF fired it.

Your post sure seemed like it. Sorry if I misread you, maybe you posted in anger?

More likely the IDF.

More facts and propaganda will come out. Right now I am between “regrettable but acceptable error” , and unacceptable blundering. I think it is obvious is wasnt deliberate, but still- it certainly could be unacceptable blundering.

Look, I already said trump was wrong here. If Israel or the CIA had some more solid stuff than “Iran lies- a lot” (which is undoubted), then support Israel, and put forces in the Straight to protect shipping, not to mention perhaps some anti-missile aid to Israel. No need to put US troops in this kinda of danger.

How easy is to “regret but accept” the blood of other people’s children…

Yeah. For what?