Upon rewatching "Heathers" and noticing the glaringly dumb film premise

I recently rented Heathers, a film I had not seen in at least a decade. I liked it when it first came out, mainly because I was fresh out of high school (and the wounds from the experience were still raw), and it had a dark sense of humor that was a deliberate slap in the face to all those cloyingly cutsey John Hughes-type flicks of the 80s. But when I saw it this weekend, I was disappointed. It’s aged badly.

First of all, there’s the bad 80s clothes & hairstyles. Horribly ugly in & of themselves, but impossibly extravagant for real high school kids to pull off. (No one in MY school wore shoulder-pads, at any rate.)

Second of all, it was much easier swallowing Christian Slater’s hackneyed “Jack Nicholson” routine the first time around. When I first saw the film, he was an unknown actor, and it seemed appropriate that a high school ‘cool guy’-poser would be aping Nicholson. Then, Slater went onto a middling career of acting ‘like’ Nicholson in movie after movie. The shtick wore thin quick.

Third of all, it isn’t nearly as nasty as I remembered it. It probably seemed more scathing coming off a decade with “Cosby Show” and “Full House”, but seeing it post-“Seinfeld” and “South Park”, it’s edge seems duller. The bad kids all get what’s coming to them, Veronica makes friends with Martha Dumptruck in the end, having learned a Very Important Message. Awwwww.

That said, there are two moments that still have a shrewd bite to them:

  1. Heather (Shannon Doherty) mocking Martha Dumptruck’s attempted suicide

and

  1. This exchange:
    Veronica: Why can’t you adults treat us kids like normal people?
    Veronica’s mother: Well little miss ‘voice-of-a-generation’, how do you think adults treat each other? Usually when teenagers complain that they want to be treated like adults, it’s when we ARE treating you like adults!"

Anyway, what struck me worst of all, the point that ruined watching the film for me, was that looking back, I can’t ever recall a ‘power clique’ like the Heathers in this film. Yes, my high school had cliques (jocks, druggies, etc.), but there was no pecking order as depicted in this film. Druggies hung out with druggies, jocks hung out with jocks, etc., etc., and each group pretty much ignored the others. No particular group was ‘in charge’ and nobody was ‘the popular kid’ whom EVERYONE wanted to know, or be like. In fact, if any trio of girls tried lording over my high school the way that Heather, Heather & Heather did, they’d simply be viscously mocked. No matter how good looking they were. I don’t know why I overlooked this before, but it really bothered me as I watched the film last this weekend.

Much to my surprise, this film actually more closely resembled the John Hughes films it supposedly mocks than any more contemporary cynically-spirited put-down film.

It kind of reminded me of the time that I caught a few episodes of “Buck Rogers” on the Sci-Fi channel and realized to my horror that the show really was as godawful stupid as my father decried it was back in the day. Only more so, because I had actually held some regard for “Heathers.”

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As I remember it, it was pretty realistic as far as what was worn. Of course that stuff wasn’t considered ugly at the time; it was cutting edge compared to the horrors of the 70s. Girls in our school certainly dressed up more than girls today (the no-jeans-or-sneakers policy helped).

As far as cliques go, none of our ruled the school but there was certainly a group of rich and/or popular girls who were untouchable by the rest of us, and who ignored our existence except when laughing at us.

The OP points out an inauthentic cliche which is not only found in Heathers, but tends to pervade movies about high school in general. That is the canard that jocks and cheerleaders are at the top of a social hierarchy which includes the whole school, that they are universally popular and envied, etc. While cliques abound in high school, they’re not stratified. There’s no “ladder,” no pecking order besides whatever exists internally within each specific cliqu. Most cliques exist without any reference or regard to any other clique. Computer nerds, or stoners or goths don’t give a crap who the quarterback is or who got voted Homecoming queen. Most of them probably wouldn’t be able to tell you who those people were if you asked them. It’s not even on their radar.

If anything, the jocks and cheerleaders who Hollywood thinks real kids want to be like are, in real life, more ignored than worshipped and what little though is given to them tends to be more disdainful than admiring. It’s not jealousy either, they are sincerely perceived as kind of shallow and dumb, even pathetic.

From what I recall of the movie they were all from affluent families. Check out a high school made up of people from wealthy families and you’ll see nice clothes and expensive vehicles in the parking lot.

Not every high school is exactly the same. My school didn’t have a power clique but then again the football players were generally decent people who didn’t go around bullying everyone else. As a general rule anyway.

Marc

Cliques were stratified in my high school, but we might have been exceptional. Surely it’s true elsewhere, though. These things are seldom invented out of whole cloth. Anyway, we didn’t have as many as are depicted in most movies. There were the rich kids, the greasers, and the rest of us. School was hell sometimes because of the enmity between the top and bottom tiers. Occasionally, there were fights.

One day in middle school (ninth grade), there was an assembly. The girl who was sort of the leader of the rich kids (dad a successful trial lawyer) and the guy who was sort of the leader of the greasers (he looked nineteen and told marvelous locker room stories) came out onstage together to wild cheers from the whole auditorium. Each gave a short speech about how we should all get along. (Waaaaaay before the Rodney King incident.)

After that, there was a sort of truce that lasted the rest of the year. The peace was a bit uneasy at times, but it stuck.

I noticed a similar viewpoint change within myself when watching the other Christian Slater rebel movie, Pump Up the Volume. At the time I though he was the cool voice of angst and rebellion.

Now, I just want to slap the whiny self-absorbed little brat :slight_smile:

You obviously never attended one of the many high schools where the athletic program was deified. It’s a movie cliché for a good reason.

Yeah, I was going to say that this probably varies substantially depending on where you went to school. My school was like Dio’s: a bunch of different social groups that either significantly overlapped (most of the jocks were also stoners) or simply didn’t give a damn about each other. But I imagine that schools in places like Texas, where high school football is given an importance just ever so slightly above Jesus Christ himself, you’re going to see a lot more Heathers style social dominance games.

I can see that happening where football is a religion. I shouldn’t have assumed that social groups are NEVER stratified that way, but I’m sure that even in football schools there are a good percentage of students who don’t give a rats ass about players and cheerleaders. It’s especially the trope that all other students want to BE like the cheerleaders that I find phony.

At least at my high school, the cheerleaders were not, by and large, the most popular students, nor were they disdained. They were pretty middle of the road girls.

The student council elected in my year - and you can’t find a better gauge of popularity, since that’s what everyone was voting for - featured a rugby player, a drama club girl, a skinny guy with no noticable talents at all, a brainiac, and a pretty boy.

Even the notion of “jock” was nebulous. Every sport featured a different bunch of guys. When you say “jock,” do you mean the wrestling team, which was mostly Portuguese guys all named “Sousa” or “De Sousa”? The basketball team, which was mostly skinny guys with bad grades? The football team, which was a vast array of different sorts of guys because, let’s be honest, it takes a lot of guys to make up a football team? Track? Soccer? What?