Uri Geller and spoons?

No, I won’t be doing that. I wouldn’t even know where to start looking in those threads and I don’t fell like reading them in their entirety for likely-disappointing results.

Start by demonstrating that our ignorance exists.

Your concern is touching, but I’ll take my chances. Geller is a fraud. If he wants to pursue legal action against me, let him try.

Dowsers are frauds, though I’ll admit that some (maybe most) genuinely believe they have powers. That doesn’t make what they do real.

And psychics don’t exist, because psychic abilities don’t exist. If you think I’m wrong, prove it. If you think I’m working from faulty reasoning, demonstrate it. I’ll remain happily sceptical in the meantime. I gather you wish to classify me as a “pseudo sceptic.” That’ll have to remain your terminology, not mine.

Geller the lying fraud has sued people before, and it usually hasn’t turned out too well for him, so I’m not too worried about it.

And there we go again, same old argument. If someone objects to your faulty reasoning then accuse them of believing in psychic abilities.

You know better than that, Bryan, you really do.

post #51-The errors are in your posts, not my mind. Where are you getting that number from in the re-writing of your original question?

Yes, I do know better, which I why I recognize your fallacy - I’m not accusing you of believing in psychic powers, I’m inviting you to prove that I’m wrong in not believing in psychic powers, if you can. What is the supposed flaw in my reasoning?

Okay, you got me. I went back and checked. The original comment to which I responded, actually said £1 Million, not $1 Million. I remembered wrong. It’s pounds, not dollars.

Well done for spotting that.

Satisfied?

What comment are you talking about? At least I posted the one I was referring to.

Check his entire posting history, it’s in there somewhere.

Oh, you pseudo, you! :stuck_out_tongue:

So, let’s see:

  1. You don’t believe in psychic powers
  2. You are not saying I believe in psychic powers
  3. you are, nevertheless, demanding that I prove your disbelief to be wrong.

Do you really not see the flaw? Really?

post #42 gave a story about Geller charging £1 Million for dowsing.

I responded to that post with a request for a cite. I did not repeat the words “£1 Million” in my post. Nevertheless, it was asking for a cite for the £1Million claim.
Your accusation that I’m wrong, or that I changed my question, is based on YOUR misunderstanding. And what a complete waste of time discussing it. Despite your accusations, the error was yours and also trivial.

Yes, the flaw is that you’re saying I’m wrong but simultaneously acting as though I’m wrong when I say you’re saying I’m wrong. Get your act together, already, or at the very least, describe in clear and direct terms what the nature of your objection is.

And, actually, it’s perfectly possible for someone to have a correct conclusion but to have reached it though invalid reasoning, i.e. “psychic powers are fake because Jesus says so!”

No, I’m not. You keep accusing me of that, but I’m not. You don’t believe in psychic powers. In all probability you are not wrong. I don’t think you are wrong.

So why are you asking me to prove you wrong?

It’s a demand that makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah, it’s bad luck to believe in stuff like that.

The specific question you asked is, “Cite that he has ever really charged for dowsing? Oh, he tells stories about his dowsing exploits. That’s just part of his performance. I don’t see evidence that he has actually done so.”

Which is what I attempted to answer by showing that he does, in fact, charge for dowsing instruction. And remember, he’s the one making the claim. If you wish to suggest that he’s simply lying, well, it’s certainly possible that people are stupid enough to pay a celebrity psychic for nonsense like this. I got held up with traffic one day, and the reason was the road crew working on the street had a lane blocked off, and they had a man dowsing while maybe a dozen people and some earth movers stood by. So professional people do, in fact, put stock in Geller’s brand of hucksterism.

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So… I’m not a pseudosceptic in your view then, apparently.

Or, in your view, being a pseudosceptic is not a negative thing, apparently.

But I was replying to post#42 which mentioned Uri Geller charging £1 Million. My question specifically asked for a cite for that particular claim. Your link, while interesting, does not answer the specific question I asked.

That information that originally was quoted from the Wiki article:

came from a book by Jeffrey Mishlove titled “The Roots Of Consciousness”, according to the attached footnote that was there for all to see.

Did something change, or are we not supposed to discuss certain topics and people with a certain person in this thread because he’s a bit obsessive?

Just read dropzone’s post. I thought that rule had been lifted, since a certain person in this thread wasn’t supposed to discuss Randi at all and we weren’t supposed to bait/encourage him.

Mods, can you clarify so we can respond?