Please clarify what you mean by that
If you are saying things that have happened, you certainly aren’t doing them in this thread, so I presume you must be doing it in some other thread.
Clever. Well, everything I have said is reported. Please note that this thread was merged with another, so it looks like I created a thread called “Is the US responsible for Russia’s invasion” That was the work of the moderator staff, I was only replying to a thread about acceptance of refugees
If a guy learns that some gang is planning to come to the center of town and start blowing stuff up, I don’t know that I’d describe it as a “power move” to try and notify everyone and publicize the coming attack.
I think the hope would be that the group see everyone preparing to kick their asses and decide to not go forward with their plans.
But then you give him advanced weapons and he ends up obliterating the gang. There are really too many of these hypotheticals in this thread, I think. 2 great power nations, 1 saw a chance to weaken the other.
The US isnt “a guy” it is the most powerful nation on earth and it doesnt tend to act morally. It just so happens that this time, morality and practicality can coexist.
That would fall under the heading of “kick their asses” yes. In general, choosing violence is a poor way to keep your own health.
One saw a chance to illegally invade another, at great human and monetary cost.
I will unpack this. Obviously, they didn’t think it would cost a lot. They were under the impression that Ukraine would be an easy mark. Illegal means nothing if nobody enforces the law. They were wrong on both counts, of course. What point is being made?
Putin is the type to keep going until he hits that wall, I think. We have all met people like that
I don’t think I have personally met anyone who assassinates enemies and invades countries, no.
I think trying to normalize his behavior and/or trying to play it down is doing your point a great disservice.
What do you think my point is
Well, I did request that the moderators change this thread title. I never said anything like what it suggests. It really does poison people’s opinions of me, obviously.
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Okay, assuming all are speaking in good faith, this is where everyone keeps disagreeing with you @WellHelloThere. This statement you made earlier, even if you keep dancing around it, says that the US is not just (as stated earlier in the thread) taking Russia down a peg due to the existing situation. Sure, as pretty much everyone agreed, the US, NATO and other powers are keeping Ukraine in a position to fight due to the massive material support and intelligence gathering, but that’s a far cry from creating the situation.
We can discuss lots of measures about your other points (US realpolitik, UN and treaty norms, etc), but you’re going to have to stop dancing around your unsupportable earlier point. Unless you have some evidence rather than insinuation. Yes, this thread was created with a less than stellar title when it was broken off due to the hijack, but your statements very easily support such a title being applied.
I said, the US had had a hand in creating Russian refugees.
So you have asserted. But see, you really going to have to expand on this with more detailed argumentation and if necessary to prove the points, cites. Because I personally cannot grasp what you are arguing the U.S. has done to create a refugee situation.
Warning the world Russia was about to invade the Ukraine did not create the refugee situation. Arming and backing Ukraine did not ultimately create the refugee situation in any reasonable sense. The war created the refugee situation and Russia, unprovoked, created the war.
Shameless, I tell you.
I think we might just disagree as to how far responsibilty goes. I think a lot of the posters here have that disagreement with me.
Some people have said smart things, in reply
Well then, I say “You’re wrong.”
That’s the level of debate you’ve provided so far. Saying that the US predicted Russian aggression, that the US is materially supporting Ukraine, and that there are Russian refugees is all correct. NONE of it = creating it. Until you provide support for your assumption, we’re not able to let your bare, unsupported statement stand.