We are an exceptional people after all, why we kill across the planet, this is just what we do.
Yes, but we don’t even deal with/call out/prosecute our own war criminals but rather recycle them back into governmental positions and TV punditry to push for ever more war across the globe.
"(perhaps flawed)? Definitely gaslighting. We can’t even ID our own corruption any more.
“With the current administration? Who the hell knows?”
Oh its bound to come out against this sort of thing taking a principled stand against kleptocracy and kakistocracy.
Look deeper. You’ll find a bunch of assaults, rapes, intoxication manslaughter offenses—hell, maybe even a murder or two—committed by diplomats in NYC and DC. Vast majority are PNG’d back to their home country. It looks like the US diplomat’s wife just cut out the middleman, and PNG’d herself.
Horrible thing for the victim’s family in the UK. Perhaps the US could provide some form of compensation to his family?
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The US does not waive diplomatic immunity even in cases of cold-blooded murder, so it is extremely unlikely this incident will be prosecuted. After all, it was apparently only an accident.
You see no connection at all? Really? Or you just really need to get what I’m saying offa your little “discussion” board here. Straight Dope? Really?
And anyway, here’s the full post you can’t handle:
Definitely gaslighting. We can’t even ID our own corruption any more.
Oh its bound to come out against this sort of thing taking a principled stand against kleptocracy and kakistocracy, don’t you think?
We the people’s hands are never tied unless we refuse to challenge authority with all of our fweedumb. Just as the ruling aristocracy gets away with Jeffie Epstein’s pimping to its penchant for pedophilia, so can they skate on this as we do nothing but watch and post and feel oh so sorry someone died; here, have some thoughts and prayers. La dee dah, another day in america.
Calling that one murder is a gigantic stretch. At least you linked to the wiki describing the attempted robbery.
Sounds like murder to me.
It would be murder here, would it not? Depending of course upon one’s race and socioeconomic status.
Stopping an attempted armed robbery is murder now? I mean, I shouldn’t be surprised that it’s a viewpoint here. Anything to show some equivalency between US diplomats and the criminal foreign diplomats I mentioned up-thread.
I don’t read where the other motorcyclist attempted to give himself up, merely that he ran away. Or as I think Davis viewed it, “retreating to a better firing position.” Anchor shooting them was poor form then, though conceivably OK these days, if he felt it was a bombing attack against him, and not a mere robbery.
It’s a bad example of diplomatic immunity anyway, as Davis was held by the authorities, and released only after paying the relevant penalty.
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Accident? Driving on the wrong side of the road is classed as ‘Dangerous driving’, a serious criminal offence. You can’t just drive on the wrong side of the road and go ‘oops’ when you kill someone because of it. Dangerous driving is not an accident, it’s a deliberate or reckless act.
She should face the penalty. After all it is only $87.50 per person killed.
Well, that, or an outcome of fatigue and living in a country where they drive on a different side of the road than you spent the last few decades driving on. That sort of wrong-side driving happens sometimes to Brits driving in drive-on-the-right countries, too. I don’t know the exact circumstances of this accident so I can’t say if that was a factor or not in this particular case.
Nor does it excuse anything. It’s still wrong. The difference is in the motivation: carelessness, not deliberate malice. I think most of us would argue there should still be penalties, but we might allow some mitigation of the penalties assessed, particularly if the guilty party were cooperative with the legal process.
Unfortunately, this seems to be a case where no matter how much the guilty party wants to cooperate other factors (international diplomacy and powerful governments) would prevent that.
Even so - it never hurts to ask for immunity of this sort to be waived. For all we know the woman is doing that even as we speak. Or maybe not - we have no way to know.
A fair, and depressing, point to make.
There really should be some mechanism whereby the UK can apply for judicial extradition in the same way that any other US citizen can be extradited,.
It would then be for the UK to provide evidence that would satisfy the US courts that this would be appropriate.
We don’t know the full facts of the case, why did she do a runner having already been interviewed? I wonder if there is any possibility that she was drunk driving or under the influence of drugs because it seems one heck of an oversight on her part to forgetfully drive on the wrong side of the road - methinks there is more to this than meets the eye and that’s why she has gone on the run.
The alternative is for her to be brought before US courts and prosecuted there, we already do this for certain crimes across international jurisdictions - such as for crimes against humanity.
Its weird cause everyone has been calling her the diplomatic wife. She has some connection with the state department, but hubby is a contractor on an airforce base.
RAF Croughton is a major comms hub. A “contractor” at a location like that - well who knows what their real job is. :dubious:
A negative consequence of recklessness or negligence is an accident. I suppose it could have been a deliberate act, in which case it wasn’t an accident, but that seems pretty unlikely.