US diplomat's wife kills UK teenager, claims diplomatic immunity

Assuming this is the case of someone coming from driving on the right side of the road accidentally going to the right in England, she never intended to go on the wrong side of the road. She thought she was correct. There was never intent to be wrong or put someone else in danger. Her state of mind was never to cause harm or do the wrong thing. She was mistaken.

It’s not the same as saying intentionally performed an illegal act. She intentionally performed an act that she thought was legal, but she was mistaken.

Exactly. She intentionally drove on the right side of the road instead of the left side of the road, but she didn’t intentionally drive on the wrong side of the road.

Driving on the wrong side of the road is illegal. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. The claim that she had forgotten which side of the road to drive on does not excuse the crime of driving on the wrong side.

Well sure, but there are levels here. Intentionally driving on the side of the road which you know to be the wrong side is reckless, and would be fully deserving of criminal reckless driving charges. Intentionally driving on the right side of the road when the correct side is the left due to an unintentional mental lapse is fully deserving of being ticketed for a serious traffic violation, but it is arguably the case that it doesn’t reach to the level of criminal reckless driving, or, if it does, only to the level of a less serious criminal offense that would typically be penalized with a fine and possibly probation and mandatory driving courses rather than incarceration.

She intentionally performed an act that was not only illegal, but was clearly likely to cause harm. If you’re going to drive, you are expected to know the rules of the road. I can’t see how someone can end up on the wrong side of the road by either recklessly not paying attention, or recklessly driving despite not being fit to, whether through ignorance of the rules or by impairment.

The only possible conclusion is that she wanted to run over someone on a motor bike.

*intentionally *is not only not proven but not even alleged by the police.

So, are you just making stuff up now?

It’s easily done when you make a turn. I’ve done it myself when abroad. If there’s no other obvious traffic to remind you what you should be doing it’s easy to revert to ingrained habits as to which side of the road to keep to.
Traffic around that region is pretty sparse, I was up there in June. Didn’t go by the base, though.

Oh good, Donald Trump is now personally involved. As usual, he is being very tactful about this, by attempting to stage a reality show about it in the White House:

Weirdly, I am beginning to feel some sympathy for this woman. She made a stupid mistake with horrible consequences and now she is being manipulated by politicians for their own advantage. Of course, I feel sorry for the Dunns, but I thought at the time that they were making a mistake going to the US. It seems that I was correct.

Of course it was incorrect for them to go to the States. I can understand the emotions involved but I can’t imagine what they expect to get out of it. I read a quote from them saying an apology is not enough…ok but what else do they possibly expect? What is even their itinerary while in the States?

Oh my god, that is so callous and disgusting. I can’t imagine a worse idea than to manipulate people like it’s the Jerry Springer show, only filmed in the Oval Office.

What horrible consequences? So far, she seems to have escaped facing any consequence.

A young man died. And it must have been traumatic for her too.

I think Trump fits more naturally into the role of a guest on Jerry Springer.

“I don’t care, I do what I want!”, as he take off his high heels and starts ineffectually beating Nancy Pelosi around the head with them, while a musclebound Secret Service agent in a black tee-shirt tries to keep them apart without fully restraining them.

So, being vilified in the press isn’t a “consequence”?

:rolleyes:

Do not accuse other posters of lying. This is…close.

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I was so very sure this was a headline from the Onion when I read this earlier today.

I should have learned by now that when it comes to things Donald Trump says or does, he is way ahead of the Onion.

I suppose he imagined he could go full Judge Judy and make a ruling, in his great and unmatched wisdom to which surely even Solomon would sit down and applaud, and both sides would blush with admiration at the extreme fairness and cleverness of his judgment, and everybody would go home with a gift basket and wearing MAGA hats.

But not without hamberders following the photo op!

I wouldn’t be surprised if he also had DNA tests done, with the hope of springing questionable paternity issues on the couple while he was at it.