USA: What do you think the GOP/right-wing platform really is?

What is interesting is seeing the division between neoconservatives (who support an aggressive, militant foreign policy) vs the rise of libertarians like Paul who want more isolationism.

However the neoconservatives seem to have the upper hand, Ron Paul is about the only national GOP presidential candidate who isn’t a neoconservative. But like others have said, being an opposition party is the biggest goal. The GOP opposed the NATO intervention in Libya, and I’ve heard some complain that we didn’t support Mubarak as much as we should. But to be fair, part of that criticism is fear that Islamist parties will take over in those nations.

Since it was my post that caused this series of threads, I should clarify:

I’m not talking about the platform the GOP wrote down in 2008. By platform, I was talking about what they would enact *today *if they had the power.

Dems, if they had the power, would probably enact universal health care. Republicans, if they had the power would…

Well, you’ve seen the list.

Plus the strong opposition to the payroll tax holiday, claiming it didn’t do much to grow jobs and had to be paid for with spending cuts, etc.

Not just that, if you look at Herman Cains tax plan it involved tax hikes of 2000-4000 a year on families making less than 100k a year.

Also Scott Walker raised taxes on students and the poor after cutting them on businesses and the wealthy.

The GOP may have once supported tax cuts across the board but the more (for lack of a less inflammatory term for it) plutocratic economic policies are taking over and becoming more blatant.

Wrong.

That’s not how threads like this run.

More like:

OP: What does the GOP/right wing want?

YOU: They want to eat babies, rape kittens, bring back slavery, and use gay people as golf tees.

VARIOUS CRACKPOTS: That’s right!

SHODAN: points and laughs

Regards,
Shodan

More of the same from Shodan.

Well, that’s a much more useful contribution.

If you haven’t got anything to contribute beyond pointing and laughing you aren’t any better than the “GOP wants to rape kittehs” people, are you?

I’m curious, although it’s. Do other board leftists believe this? I am naturally suspicious when Der Trihs claims something is “well known.”

After some thought, I would say, as I have before, that Republican party has four broad sentiments, though each one isn’t necessarily what liberals think of them as, and you’ll find broad support for most of the others. Here is where it gets confusing. I view the Democrats as being a party composed of numerous discrete interest groups. African-Americans. Women’s Groups. Wall-Street (I know it’s not too popular to point this out, but yes, the votings patterns don’t lie). Lawyers. Many more, of course, but that’s the point: each tends to have tighter grouping, but the overlap between them is minimal.

Republicans have broad ideological goals, which don’t always, or even usually, conflict. However, we do not, despite Der Trihs assertion, have much organization, and what is, is purely local. The Democrats have, and have had for ages, a much more effective national organization - one which I honestly admire, at least in its effectiveness. The thing to understand about Republicans is that we are localists at heart. We ally with other across the nation, but we don’t perceive ourselves as being brothers in arms. We’re simply like-minded people. Nor do we shy from criticizing each other; just not in the same way we’d criticize others. There’s no real line between being inside or outside the party, whereas one can easily be a member of an organization dedicated to liberal goals. Anyway, onto the groupings. Imagine this as a cloud with several points of greater thickness and solidity.

First, Paleo-Conservatives. These are the old-school types. Though driven underground post-Goldwater, they still exist and even form the backbone. These are the least ideological, but tend towards the legalistic side of things and often embrace various flavors of originalism or textualism. Paleoconservativism is about rootedness and prefers to be left alone. They prefer isolationism and pleasant but distant relations abroad, and a weak central government within (mostly; exceptions exist). Though can find elements of it anywhere, Paleocons are not political. They really don’t understand why anyone like to turn neutral oprganizations into a political body, be it the AMA or the Bar.

Paleocons are the most varied grouping, because they tend to be a catch-all category.

Second, Libertarians. Libertarians are the ones you find making arguments, running experimental models, and generally being annoying intellectuals at the party when everyone was sipping their drinks and talking about the latest movie. (Or in my circles, which Magic: The Gathering cards are hot.) Libertarians hold to a theory about how the economy can best be dealt with, and base their politics off of that. They don’t care about almost anything else - as long as it doesn’t actively hurt another, it’s not their problem. They’ve been discussed to death and back elsewhere.

Third, Religious Conservatives. In the United States, this mostly means the Christian Right, and ironically it’s in some ways the closest to the very Liberals who utterly hate them and everything about them. They tend to be quite flexible about matters of political doctine - whatever works - but keep a skeptical eye on the liberal interpretation of success. What many don’t understand is that this isn’t a political movement at all. It’s a social movement with political implications, emphasizing personal responsibility and moral behavior, and spanning semi-liberal Catholics to fundamentalist Evangelicals. Their biggest policy goal is banning abortion, which is viewed as a complete abomination, sort of like if infanticide was legally permitted and often approved of in practice.

Fourth, NeoConservatives. In a way they’re just in between Paleocons and Libertarians, but then again, not exactly. They’re a little hard to decribe. They favor active intervention abroad to prevent trouble ending up here. They’re fine with a free markets, but also a limited welfare state. Additionally, while it’s a relatively small movement, it’s more influential than it looks because so many adherents are extremely intellectual and often quite brilliant.

And here’s the kicker. Most elected Republicans don’t neatly fall into one category or another. They’re in the cloud, but not really identifiably one part of it. The Republican party is a 3D Venn diagram.

Good heavens, no. I’m a great deal better. It’s always better to be the one mocking the stupid than the one posting the stupid.

Regards,
Shodan

And by doing both at the same time, you get to be top dog!

I think the narrative about what Republicans and their hangers-on think/want is about specific issues is more unified than that on the left, because there are established voices (Limbaugh, Fox) on the right that the left lacks.

In terms of what the GOP/right think/want in more general terms I think there’s at least as much (probably more) splintering of opinion than on the left.

Actually I think that is Barry O’s platform as well.

In regards to the OP the GOP as currently constituted reflects the conservative view of government which believes that the government exists to provide its citizens with collective self defense. This means strong defense to protect us from threats from foreigners and strong policing to protect us from criminals. We conservatives also believe in letting economic markets be as free as possible because free markets encourage prosperity and virtue.
Conspiratorial diatribes such as Senior Beef’s about how Republicans have used social issues to fool the lumpenproletariat into voting for aristocracy are very popular amoungst those who have contempt for the average american. But if you look empirically it is not true recently. Social issues such as abortion and gay marriage have had much more success. Since 2010 when the GOP won many state races, there have been 106 new state laws restricting abortion. and 41 states have prohibited gay marriage. Yet we have one of the most progressive income tax structures in the world and we have one of the highest capital gains tax rate.

You are only amusing yourself here.

You have an opportunity here to really maybe reach out and open some eyes.

Instead, you pride yourself on perpetuating the very thing that so many in this very thread have said is the goal of the GOP/Right wing ( to create an us vs. them world with themselves [ie:you] on top).

And when it is pointed out, you laugh and crack wise about how smart you are.

How does this help?

I don’t believe it, I know it.

Sweet Jesus fuck, you’re right:

How the hell does that fit into the conservative mindset? If anything, it looks like the proles have been fooled into voting for Jesus-bashers using economic issues.

The underlying theme of the Republican party platform seems to be the preservation and increase of the power of the strong over the weak. Domestically this manifests itself economic proposals that support the rich over the poor; social policies that support the majority over the minority; a sense of justice that relies on punishment rather than understanding; and on the world stage this manifests itself in terms of a bullying foreign policy.

Regarding how they manage to get people earning 25K to vote of tax cuts for the rich, they do so by pitting them against those even lower on the food chain. In order to maintain self esteem everyone needs someone they can look down on. By pushing down those on the rung lower below them they feel themselves being pushed up by comparison. “I may be barely scraping by and have no heath insurance, but at least I’m not one of those lazy welfare recipients. They should be punished even more.”

It is an article of faith among liberals that they have come to their political opinions using their enormous brainpower and flawless moral reasoning and anyone who opposes them does so because they are unthinking sheep being told what to think. Politics is primarily a way to show how much better they are than everyone else.

Irony, meet puddleglum. puddleglum, irony. You two clearly have a great deal of catching up to do.

What list? You’re not still saying you think that list you posted was correct, do you?

I think it’s pretty obvious what the GOP would do if they were in power:

  • Keep income taxes and cap gains taxes low. Try to lower corporate taxes.
  • Try, but fail, to cut spending according.
  • Restrict abortion as much as the courts will let them
  • Ensure that DOMA stays the law of the land
  • Reduce regulation as much possible
  • Halt any increases in the min wage
  • Relax environmental standards as much as possible. Oppose any climate change initiatives
  • Repeal the HCRB; try to enact some type of HCR that would tinkering around the edges

That’s just off the top of my head.
I’m not sure what they would do militarily, as the isolationist wing of the GOP is getting pretty strong.

Is that what you are trying to do? You’re not very good at it.

This part is true.

This part isn’t.

John Mace has already answered part of the question in the OP by pointing (quite appropriately) to the GOP website. Anyone who wanted to actually know what their platform was could go there and find out. But that’s why Czarcasm et al. got all upset and rejected that. They have no interest and no ability to learn what the GOP/right wing platform is. They want to post their most lurid fantasies of dark conspiracies of evil and the evil money-grasping plutocrats and yadda yadda. The problem is that when I come in and laugh at it, and mock it, and point out how ridiculous it looks to someone who doesn’t chug-a-lug the liberal Flavor-Aid by the truckload, it sort of spoils the fun. That’s a net gain, because there is a little less impetus next time a thread like this gets kicked off.

If you want to beat your head against this particular brick wall, feel free. I don’t (at this point) care to bother, so I will simply point and laugh at the more absurd claims of what the extreme Left thinks I think.

Regards,
Shodan