Wherefore & whither the GOP? (Sept 2010)

or, “Why is anyone still voting for the GOP anyway?”

Since I was hijacking the Why SPECIFICALLY do Republicans hate Obama? thread, I started this one for “Why is anyone still voting for the GOP anyway?”

Pfft. He’s a nitwit who endorsed the “Fair Tax.” With that kind of populism, I’ll take the elitist moderates of the Democratic Party.

As I said, other thread:

Also, they cut taxes to run higher deficits while starting a war & raising expenses. I was raised a Reagan Republican, & I will never vote for those jerks again.

So you tell me. What’s keeping you in the party?

I will get flamed for this…

The Democrats suck too (but in their own special ways). As I said in the other thread, it was LBJ who taught us to throw a war and put it on the credit card.

The Democrats don’t have a spine, while the Republicans don’t have a head.

I will vote for individual Democrats at times - but I will not join their party anytime soon.
I don’t like Democrat submissions for the Courts.
I don’t like the Democrats ways of making everything a Federal issue.
I don’t like the Democrats voting record on gun rights.
I don’t WANT a national single-payer health care system.

We have a two party system in this country, so that leaves this libertarian minded businessman stuck as a registered Republican.

The objection to federal health insurance is strange to me.

  1. We already have massive public spending on health care.

  2. The GOP don’t have the stones to actually make Medicare cheaper:
    a. “Starve the Beast” was supposed to force a situation where Republican lawmakers found it politically acceptable to make cuts in entitlements; It hasn’t worked.
    b. Medicare Part D was actually more expensive due to GOP ideology that a private company should be making a profit from a public fund.

3, At least if we have a universal system, we get away from the working public paying for a single-payer system which does not benefit them.

I like Liberals on the courts because I like the people represented over the corporations.

Republicans make things federal issues too.

Democrats have no problem with the 2nd amendment, they just don’t see the need for individual arsenals and military weapons in the hands of the public.

And every other civilized nation has a single payer system and they seem to like it. The ONLY reason WE don’t is that the corporate insurance and drug companies don’t like it.

Oh, and LBJ could hardly be blamed for Vietnam. Eisenhower got that one underway. Kennedy tried to end it and see what happened to him?

Don’t even try to tell me you had a straight face while posting this.

You mean militia weapons?:rolleyes:

It is Democrats who always push for restrictions on any guns, both federally and locally. Remember, it was Democrat sponsored gun bans that eventually lead to the 2 recent SCOTUS rulings overturning them.

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But you acknowledge that all indications are that quite a few folks are planning on doing it in a few weeks, yes?

Why go out of the way to avoid calling the party by its name?

The biggest affront to the Second Amendment didn’t come from the Democrats. It was Republicans who abolished the militias that the Second says are so essential. What’s the point of militias if they’re just absorbed into the federal military, and no longer under state control?

Well, I certainly don’t think the drafters of the 2nd Amendment had things like the Montana Freemen or whatever in mind when they wrote of a “well ordered militia.” :rolleyes:

Apples and oranges. You’re talking about groups of people while I was talking about equipment.

In any case, I doubt the drafters had the likes of Jenna Jameson in mind when they wrote the First Amendment, either!

I didn’t realize you were an “original intent” kind of guy.

Regards,
Shodan

Over the last couple of years, I have been shifting away from Republican. I think the reason I am shifting away, is exactly why some are still embracing it:
Social issues. I put my social allegiances on the back burner for years, because I thought that Republicans were the better economic party. The last couple of years has me questioning that they are on my side economically speaking. I am the polar opposite of Republican on social issues.

My dad and brothers are Republican because they really hate Obama. My boss is Republican (he claims that he’s Tea Party and Palin all the way, as if there’s a difference) and he routinely talks about the “culture of life” as opposed to the “culture of death”, and lists all the things that make up the culture of life, which are all broadly social issues. So, I am seeing a bit of bigotry in the fam and social issues in the boss.

Ironically, if the Teabaggers get into power, I’m betting they won’t make any headway at all toward solving the deficit, which they claim is their raison d’etre. Even with control of Congress they simply won’t have the political power. Same thing goes for control of immigration, they won’t do anything about that either.

But they sure will be able to explode the deficit with lower taxes and start with the troglodyte social legislation.

Is that a “neener neener!” or an “Oh, fuck!”?

You might be surprised. Guys are guys, the world over and for all times. :wink:

It’s more of an observation about the OP’s subtitle, “Why is anyone still voting for the GOP anyway?”

That phrase carries an inference: that there are simply no reasons to vote for the GOP, or, if there are reasons, they are so obscure that they escape the ken of the commentator.

This would be an understandable observation if the Democrats were polling huge majorities. “Why,” might someone ask rhetorically, “is anyone voting GOP? Obviously, vast numbers of people can find no reason to vote GOP, and neither can I!”

But when the polls predict a large-scale victory for the GOP, when control of the House is widely thought to be a sure-thing switch back to the GOP, then the question becomes a bit blinder. At the least, the tone should change: “Why are all these people voting GOP?” one might ask. That at least captures the honest lack of understanding of the choice, while acknowledging that a large chunk of the electorate is apparently making that choice.

“Why is anyone still voting for the GOP anyway?” simply suggests a stubborn refusal to admit that large numbers of people are planning to vote for the GOP.

Fair point, but I read the OP as being directed to Republicans: “What’s keeping you in the party?” Considering that those Pubs in power the past few years have such a crappy track record and the hard-right Tea Partiers now rising to leadership are obviously even worse.

Got any answers to that?

Really? It suggests that the OP recognizes that people still vote for the GOP. That is what the “still voting” part means. The only fact is question is why.