Using 'a' and 'an'.

A statement by Polycarp in another thread reminded me of this.

I found myself naturally reading this as “an MBE”, because of the initial vowel sound in the letter emm. For whatever reason, “a MBE” just doesn’t gel on my tongue.

[ul][li]So, in cases where the written form begins with a consonant, but the oral form with a vowel, what rule should we use to decide if ‘a’ is appropriate, or ‘an’? [/li]
[li]How about for a semi-vowel consonant like Y? For instance, in the element name Yttrium, the ‘y’ is silent and the word is pronounced ‘itreeyum’, do we say a Yttrium molecule or an Yttrium molecule?[/ul][/li]grammar mavens?

[nitpick]
It’s an yttrium atom
[/nitpick]

I always use the oral sound.

An M.B.E.

A “y” is not a vowel sound, so it is a yttrium atom.

The “h” sound is a variable. An hour. A hearse.

There will be nitpicks forthcoming. How do you know whether an acronym is being pronounced as a word or as initials? An URl (earl)? A You Are Ell?

One does the best one can.

Really? So, for instance, the Oxygen molecule consists of 2 Oxygen atoms, but I’m not allowed to even say an oxygen molecule?

I think I would always err on the side of being correct for the spoken word.

Another nitpick:

As your pronunciation shows, the y is not silent. It is pronounced as an i.

Always thought the better word to use was element, or even metal, but never mind …

As Exapno Mapcase states, it is the oral sound you go for, not whether the first letter is a consonant or not. I do think yttrium has an “an” preceding it, but then there is dispute over the words “history” and “historical”, as well.

Go with what sounds best as you read it out loud.

err…my last post was for Q.E.D..

as for the ‘silent’ y in yttrium, mea culpa…i meant, it has a vowel pronunciation.

Well, yes. Elemental oxygen forms diatomic molecules in it’s native state, just like hydrogen and nitrogen do. But yttrium does not, so you don’t have yttrium molecules.

i’m hijacking my own thread. :rolleyes:

even a monoatomic molecule is still a molecule, for nitpicking sake, no?

Merriam-Webster.

Molecule:

From Bryan A. Garner, Garner’s Modern American Usage (2d ed. 2003):

As KneadToKnow has pointed out, the y in yttrium is pronounced as a vowel, so takes the indefinite article an.

Shouldn’t that be “monatomic”?

The rule is simple - you use “an” before a vowel sound and “a” otherwise.

The confusion only arises if you are conditioned in school to believe that English has 5 vowels, a, e, i, o and u.

By definition, a molecule is composed of two or more atoms.
A “monoatomic molecule” is a contradiction in terms.

The “history” and “historical” dispute is a matter of pronunciation, mostly. Some people don’t aspirate the h’s and thus feel more natural saying an historical. (sounds like “an 'istorical” pretty much). Others pronounce it with a clear h, hence “a historical.”
I think these days most stylebooks will tell you to go with the latter, at least in America. It seems to me that governmental texts (or perhaps I’m thinking of some other type of offical text) preserve the older “an” article. That annoys the hell out of me, as it never fails to cause me to trip over the word.

Oops on my part. I always had yttrium in my head as yit-ree-um, which would take an “a”. But my dictionaries confirm that it is it-ree-em, which would indeed take an “an”.

Would it help if I said my last chemistry class was in 1968?

No, the y in yttrium is pronounced as a short i:

From Merriam-Webster Online.

Garner again:

Of course there are regional variances too (even among English speakers) - many Americans seem to pronounce ‘herb’ as ‘urb’ and therefore ‘an herb’ would be appropriate, however many (most I think) Brits pronounce the H and they would write it as ‘a herb’.

The careful writer avoids these constructions.

Cheers for that, brianmelendez. You’ve explained that very well. :slight_smile:

Well, cheers to Bryan Garner, the Cecil Adams of American usage!