Vacation Advice, Please?

Ukulele Ike, I think I read that you live in Brooklyn. Because of that – and because you were so nice to me in your last post – I will dedicate these picks to you.

We’ve already covered Coney, Junior’s, Grimaldi’s, the Transit Museum and the famed bridge. Onward…

Brooklyn – Dutch for “broken lands” – has a long and storied past, far deeper than the Honeymooners and Dem Bums. Originally founded as six separate villages (one by an English woman!) it grew into the third largest city in the country until it was consolidated into Greater New York City in 1898. Knowing, brooding Brooklynites call that milestone “The Mistake of '98.”

I’m feeling historical so most of the following recommendations predate “The Mistake.” I’m also feeling patriotic (what with the Fourth almost here) so I threw in a few extra flag-waving picks. Hope you don’t mind:

Brooklyn Museum of Art: You’re too late to catch the Madonna-cum-dung “Sensation!” art exhibit that enraged our mayor, but you can always see the finest collection of Egyptian art in the country, here on permanent exhibit. Also, on the first Saturday evening of each month they throw open the doors for (you guessed it…) First Saturday. There’s free admission, music, dancing, screenings, talks and general merriment. (Trivia: Flanking the entrance to the museum are two allegorical stone statues: one “Brooklyn,” the other “Manhattan.” They were rescued and reinstalled here when the Dept. of Transportation reconfigured the Brooklyn entrance of the Manhattan Bridge.)

Green-wood Cemetery: Very, very high on my list of picks. I can here you saying, “What? Is this guy nuts!?!” Nope. GWC has more great stories than most libraries. The famous “residents” include Leonard Bernstein, L.C. Tiffany, Boss Tweed, Samuel Morse, and dozens of others. An old retired cop named John Cashman gives tours on summer Sundays and recounts tragic, hilarious, and nutty stories about the dearly departed. He is ocassionally fast and loose with the facts, but his “lemme tell ya’ who dis is…” style makes up for it. (Tour costs $5; phone 718/ 469-5277 for info.) (Trivia: If you visit GWC, you’ll be continuing a very honorable tradition; at one time it was the second most popular tourist attraction in the country, only behind Niagara Falls. No, I’m not kiddin’.)

Fort Greene Park: This park overlooks the famed Brooklyn Navy Yard where the Civil War Monitor – as well as dozens of WWI and II warships – were built. (The BNY is closed, so I can’t put it on this list). The centerpiece of this park is a huge towering column, topped with a sculptural lamp. (Of course, no one using the park today can tell you why it’s there or why it’s important, so I’ll have to). It is the Prison Ship Martyr’s Monument. When the British captured Brooklyn and NYC (more about this later) they kept the American prisoners on foul, unhealth prison ships, anchored nearby. The prisoners died by the score of sarvation and disease. They were hastily buried in trenches near the shore, and over the subsequent decades their bones would wash up on the beach. It was decided to build a fitting memorial to these men and the Fort Greene tower is the result (built 1907). A locked, unmarked crypt containing the prisoners’ remains is located near the base of the monument.

PROSPECT PARK
Slythe, by all means go visit Central Park in Manhattan; it is clean, cheery and lovely. But don’t write off Prospect Park in Brooklyn. (Here’s a dirty little secret you Brooklynites can rub in the noses of Manhattanites: The team of Olmsted & Vaux designed both parks, but considered Prospect to be the superior job of the two.) The park is filled with beautiful ponds, hills, brambles, etc. But here are MY fave spots…

The Victory Arch: At the northern corner of the park is a traffic circle called Grand Army Plaza, home to one of the most striking sights on this planet. There sits the Victory Arch, built to commemorate the Union triumph in the Civil War. The white stone arch is flanked and topped with some of the most stunning literal and allegorical classic bronze sculpture you’ll ever see – all recently restored and polished. Pick a sunny day, bring a pair of binoculars (so you won’t miss the details high in the sky), stand across the street facing the arch, and take it all in. Glorious! When you’ve had your fill, look around you. The big Egypian-style building to your right is Brooklyn’s main library. And, just inside the park, that statue of the perky guy with the hat and cane in his hands – JST Stranahan – memorializes the “First Citizen of Brooklyn” and the man who pushed for the park’s creation. (He also pushed for “The Mistake” I mentioned earlier, but that’s another story.) There are many other fine statues circling the plaza and inside the park.

The Horse Tamers: Since we’re talking statuary, at one of the southern entrances of Prospect Park is a pair of statues that deserve special mention, the Horse Tamers. Each statue shows a naked, muscular guy (hey, no comments) on the back of a wild, flailing horse. Such energy and power in a static object, you’ve never seen.

Celebrity Grave: Trivia Question - Where is actor Mongomery Clift buried? Answer: Prospect Park, Brooklyn, NY! There is an old Quaker cemetery on the PP grounds, and MC is buried there. I have read the graveyard is gated, so you probably need special permission to enter… but fascinating, no?

The Marylander Monument: In the middle of the park, on an obscure hill, stands a forgotten, unattractive, slightly vandalized monument. There is nothing about the place or the stone structure that seems impressive… unless you know this fact: the fate of our country was held in the balance on the ground on which you are standing. Let me explain…

In the late summer of 1776, the British tried to break the American Revolution by taking NY and splitting the colonies in two. They landed troops on Staten Island; George Washington’s army was encamped across the water, in Brooklyn. The British crossed the Narrows and attacked the Americans, beginning the first – and some say most important – formal engagement of troops in the Revolution: the Battle of Brooklyn (aka the Battle of Long Island).

It did not go well for Washington’s men, and they had to retreat northward, hoping to ferry across to Manhattan Island to make their escape. The British pursued. The Americans knew that if they engaged them the Revolution would be lost, so four-hundred Maryland troops – mostly Catholics – were given the suicidal task of delaying the enemy advance. They were slaughtered. But they did not die in vain, for Washington’s army successfully escaped. On the monument are the general’s heartbreaking words as he watched the action from afar: “Good God. What brave fellows I must this day lose.”

There’s no way to top that quote, so I’ll end this post here. More later.

Son of a gun…I thought it couldn’t be done, but that last post brought a tear to my rheumy old eye. One of the things I liked best about your suggestions, stuyguy, is that you didn’t limit them to Manhattan. (Not that I want a buncha stinking tourists cluttering up MY neighborhood, but there’s tons of cool shit in the Outer Boroughs for Those In The Know.)

Let me just throw in a few annotations: The Brooklyn Museum is now hosting a knockout exhibition of Maxfield Parrish’s paintings…something no lover of bizarro kitsch can afford to miss.

Green-Wood Cemetery alone is well worth the trip across the East River. Lola Montez is planted here, too. And the guy who invented soda water. For that matter, anyone who enjoys a good tomb should make the trip up to Woodlawn in the Bronx, where the Robber Barons now repose…everyone from Woolworth to Belmont to Straus to Gould to Armour. Also such noteworthies as Bat Masterson, Duke Ellington, Admiral Farragut, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Hoagy Carmichael, Herman Melville, and Fritz Kreisler, the great concert violinist and forger.

I get the feeling I’m boring the crap out of everybody. Should I stop?

Boring ? Not at all, it’s really great stuff. The more I hear about non-Manhatten NYC, the better.

OK, you mention that Brooklyn was originally 6 villages. London is a city that grew from many such villages all of which got linked up as the Industrial Revolution pulled people in from the farms. I wonder if the original villages of Brooklyn managed to retain their own individual centre’s for commerce, shopping, culture (i guess immigrant centres. Wasn’t Brooklyn a strong Italian area early last century ?) and community (as many have here) or whether there’s just long strips of supermarkets and drive in’s now ?

Like your enthusiasm for your city, guys - and I’m taking notes.

LC: First I’d like to thank you for even speaking to me after all my untoward references to the Mother Country – prison ships and slaughtered colonists and all. Jolly sporting of you. Jolly sporting, indeed!

I wrote a long and detailed answer to your Q, but the computer or MB evaporated it, so I’ll try again – more concisely. (Note to nit-pickers: please forgive my generalizations below. If I have to fit this in four paragraphs I will need to paint with a wide, inexact brush. Thank you.)

Most of Brooklyn consisted of undeveloped farmland when waves of immigration hit the NYC region at the turn of the last century. As developers built houses for these immigrants, they engulfed or buried many of the vestiges of the old rural towns and villages. Thus, what may have been a sleepy Dutch or Yankee settlement became a patchwork of German, Irish, Italian, African-American, etc. neighborhoods, sometimes each only a few blocks big. Naturally, residents created new (or canabalized old) amenities to suit their residential needs: churches, schools, stores, parks, etc.

Only the already-built-up areas – mostly in Downtown Brooklyn – retained a strong pre-20th century identity. Not coincidentally, that’s where the grand institutions had been built: the Museum of Art, the Academy of Music, the Historical Society, City – later Borough – Hall, colleges and, of course, churches. (Brooklyn was called “the City of Churches,” you know?)

But trouble was brewing across the East River. (“Wasn’t it always?,” a knowing Brooklynite would scoff.) While immigration was paving and bricking-over Brooklyn’s hinterland with houses, Manhattan was growing even more stronger as the focus of non-residential city life. Culture, commerce, finance, politics and higher education gravitated there. In other words, post-consolidation Manhattan drained the life from many of Brooklyn’s old, proud institutions. Witness the Brooklyn Eagle, a once nationally-respected newspaper that had long-ago been edited by Walt Whitman. It folded because it could not compete with Manhattan-based papers.

My favorite anecdote to this effect took place during the recent “Sensation!” art exhibit scandal. A national TV commentator remarked, “The Brooklyn Museum? Who knew there was such a thing?” Well, if you ever saw the BMA it would knock your friggin’ socks off! It is a world-class museum that gets no respect because it happens to live in the giant shadows of the Metropolitan and MOMA.

It’s little wonder that old Brooklynites think back to 1955 and smile. That’s when they showed 'em all!

Stuyguy, thanks for that.

I’ve wondered about how US cities have differed from their European counterparts in relation to renewal and redevelopment. Always seemed odd that buildings could be knocked down before they were ready to fall. In fact, until recently I’d hazard that the major influence in redevelopment of European cities was the Luftwaffe – followed closely by the RAF and USAF.

I guess the answer lies within the unique dynamic of hyper-fast economic and population growth but it’s a shame the old communities also get knocked around. Maybe the fine traditional of City Hall corruption lent a hand ?

Anyway, I’m meandering off point. I’m converted – next trip it’s downtown Brooklyn, with my notes (notes already ! get outa here).
Thanks again, stuyguy.

  • I’m assuming '55 was the Dodgers year.

Dat’s right.

Well, I’m leaving tonight for my first vacation in eight years! I leave on TWA from Portland at 12:40 in the am, arrive at St. Louis International on flight 340 at 6:30 in the am. Wait FOUR hours in the airport, which is too much time to spend in an airport, and too little time to actually go somewhere, so if any St. Louis Dopers want to hold up a large sign saying HEY DOPE! I would mind buying you a cuppa joe. :slight_smile:
Leave St. Louis at 10:20 am on flight 62, and arrive at JFK International terminal 5 at 1:51 in the afternoon. Home base will be Pearl River in beautiful upstate New York, and I plan on being a full-fledged tourista until I leave on the 25th.

Thanks to everyone for the advise, especially stuyguy! I actually plan on carrying a copy of this thread with me when I go to the City!
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Hey slythe, buddy… have a great trip!

A few loose ends I was meaning to post earlier:

  1. Since I finally went to the trouble of learning what the CSA (or whatever) is you listed on your interests, I thought I should definately endorse a previous poster’s (PP) recommendation to see the Cloisters. You’ll flip if you’re into that knights & castles stuff.

  2. Also check out Belvedire Castle (sp?) in the middle of Central Park. It’s real cute and fun to walk around.

  3. I also think the Frick (Museum) has a lot of Middle Ages stuff, but don’t quote me. (As you can tell, that whole genre is not a specialty of mine.)

  4. A lifelong friend of mine (thanks Judy) recently turned me on to a great “only in NY” kind of place that you might want to check out. It’s The Lemon Ice King located in Corona, Queens (so it’s not far from Shea and the Unisphere). Despite it’s name, the place makes and serves a dizzying selection (about 35) of boffo Italian Ices, including watermelon, licorice, and coffee. It’s open till late at night.

And be sure to catch the heated bocci games that are played in the small park across from the ices stand. As you can imagine this whole experience reeks of genuine NY-Italian-Americanism, so it’s worth checking out if you’d like to see that sort of thing close-up and in person, instead of just in the movies. (Incidentally, my friend Judy tells me that the LIK storefront is prominently featured in the opening sequence to the TV show King of Queens; I never watch it, but it’s supposed to be set in Corona, so I’m not surprised.)

  1. I’ll email you my phone # in case you run into any trouble during your NYC adventures.

  2. Have a blast!

So, Slythe, I assume you’re back from va-kay.

So, how did it go? Did you make it to TheBigCity?

Good news-got to the big city.
Bad news-the entire trip was micromanaged by east coast relatives.

Spent three days in Boston. Did the Freedom trail, did Bunker and Breeds Hill, climbed to the top of the Bunker Hill Monument, went to Boston Science Museum(awsome!), toured the U.S.S. Constitution, went to the Prudential Building, etc., etc., etc.

Went to NYC. Did the Circle Line tour around the Island. Went to Rockafeller Center, Times Squire, Empire State Building. Had a Rueben at the Carnagie Deli with my first egg cream(LOVED it!). Went to Sunday service at St.John the Devine Episcopalian Church in Harlem. Had pizza at five different places, though the best was at the Colony in Stamford, Conn. Went to Headquarters of the WWF in Stamford.
Went to FAO Schwartz, Ambercrombie and Fitch, Virgin Records, the U.S.S. Intrepid(where I got some terrific shots of the SR71 Blackbird!), and numerous other points of interest.

Did the whole tourista thing, and had a blast!

I know the horse has already left the barn, metaphoricallywise, but this is a good thread for the archives. And it’s worth adding that this place was also the inspiration for Tom’s Diner by Suzanne Vega. If you look among all the Seinfeldian trappings, you can find one or two articles about the song.

Egads stuyguy! What marvelous information! This is not just faint praise. You should seriously consider writing a guide to NYC. I would definitely buy it.

Glad you enjoyed my tips.

As for the guidebook idea, I am currently contributing a few entries to one that a publisher is compiling.